“If she turns Patrick in, he gets lobotimized, for real. Or put into farmacological coma for the rest of his life. “

Entirely possible, but not guaranteed – we really don’t have any idea what assets “The Program” has available to them., technological or biodynamic. Also, Alison’s speaking up for him should hold some weight with her minders in The Program. From what we’ve seen on camera, restraint has been the order of the day, given the number of biodynamics who yet survive. I do wonder how many biodynamics have died after manifesting their abilities from maladaptive biodynamism.

“How else can you keep a criminally insane ex terrorist with psychic powers, who can kill even tier one byodynamics?”

Who, exactly, has Patrick himself killed with his telepathic powers? His allies have certainly killed someone and his robots have, but this instance is the first time we’ve ever seen Patrick’s telepathic powers affect anyone directly in any fashion, nor have we concrete information regarding him having killed anyone by more typical means (I will grant Mom is likely).

If you mean the Public Perception, then that has some merit – but fairly often the Public Perception and the realities of public policy are often quite different.

How do you keep him contained? Attempt to heal him and hope he’s grateful. While you’re doing that, you use the mass of technology you’ve accrued thus far for biodynamic containment and you study the heck out of him. Since, by Patrick’s admission, he has no mind control powers and can only affect others by using incredible verbal persuasion, a cage with Lisa’s less sophisticated robots to care for his physical needs should suffice. If it becomes apparent he’s not curable, then he can be “solutioned”. If a government / agency is willing to murder him, extended incarceration is a piece of cake – Guantanamo Bay stands as a real world example. Since biodynamism appears to have a genetic component, I have a feeling that research into gene therapy to correct it is a thing.

Irony time – what if all of those “vanished biodynamics” also, like Daniel, had powers running amok and the only way to save their lives was to depower them? If Patrick is truly out of touch with reality, doesn’t that call The Conspiracy into question?

If he had actual projective capabilities, the argument has merit, but this whole scenario seems to be an example of his already manifest powers to read other’s thoughts going out of control – essentially, we’ve got a mind link but no redactive or coercive capacity demonstrated.

Now, if it turns out that Tara has never been asleep / unconscious and has no recollection of speaking to Alison in the flower garden, the argument will have greater merit.

There’s a lot of projecting into the future following current trends. Unfortunately life isn’t like that all the time.

a) He’s not a full range telepath at the moment; he’s a receptive, NOT a projective. So, at the moment he can’t contact anyone else. If his power develops that way, then the point is valid, but so far we’re seeing he has “I can create an analogue of the other person in my own mindscape”; that’s just an expression of his existing power of receiving and storing a copy of others. We have no actual evidence that Tara’s mindscape is its own entity/
b) You’re assuming that there’s nothing that can be done to help Patrick or that can slow, halt, roll back the acceleration of his powers. I find that hard to believe, given that (a) we’ve already had a scientist comment on genetic expression being a part of biodynamism and (b) we’re already doing significant gene therapy in the real world and we don’t have anyone remotely equivalent to the adept we’ve already seen (Lisa). It seems to me that ruling out any other adepts just because we haven’t seen them is a bit odd, since they made up a whole new category for them. That very strongly implies that there are many more of them (relatively speaking) out there.
c) If there are significant robotic security measures, it’s going to take a tier one kinetic-based biodynamic to deal with them. When I speak of security measures for Patrick, it will still be maximum security and difficult to access. And since Lisa is the premier roboticist, I’, sure she’ll be happy to devise lethal failsafes and make sure Menace knows that any anomalous behavior in the security measure will result in the complex being doused in white phosphorous. Their history will guarantee that.

Patrick is a very, very valuable asset. It’s worth taking a little risk to see if that asset can be brought onto the side of the angels.

Now once he’s fully demonstrated he’s irredeemable, then everything you say. But he’s already modified behavior positively from where he was, which suggests he IS redeemable. Let that play out and then make a call.

OR – we’re seeing the copy of Alison in Patrick’s head interacting with Patrick inside Patrick’s head. We haven’t any evidence that can’t be placed into question because of the use of the dream sequence trope. The nose bleed page is bad plotting, in my book – it adds an unnecessary element that clouds the essential issue rather than clarifying it.

They have a teams of doctors who are monitoring biodynamics. I find it difficult to believe that they’re just taking data and not experimenting as they can and performing research. If they’re not, they need to get a new team of physicians and scientists, not the palliative care specialists they’ve hired.

Tony Stark? No.
Reed Richards? Hell, yes!.

I wouldn’t use Patrick in the field at all. He’d have a nice safe underground bunker where he could live and be used as a pre-interrogation interviewer. Interrogation requires knowing what some of the answers are before you start. There’d be a lot of protocol steps and specialized agent training required for his handlers, but he could be very, very useful if properly managed, particularly given his apparent limited range (which I admit I also question his veracity on this point). And again, he’s stated he has no coercive abilities – if we’re going to take him at his word. Which, as you seem to imply, we should not.

I could easily envision a prison not only to negate Patrick’s powers and defenses to negate every one of those mentioned. Daniel is by far the biggest problem from a materials point of view, but he’s not such a problem since he’s already imprisoned. The speedster and Mary are child’s play (staged access by robots, high level thermal input at each stage followed by toxic gas followed by organic-decaying acids, bye bye biodynamics). Hector’s power is challenging, but off the top of my head I can come up with at least two ways to put a big crimp in his day (not that I need to – Hector is a good guy).

It’s interesting to me that I, who think that Patrick cannot be trusted, can find plausible reasons for everything he’s done that aren’t about advancing Patrick’s personal power but are rather about protecting other people. That’s what makes him such an interesting “villain”. His motivations are suspicious, but, if we can trust his narrative, he’s a person with good intentions acting ruthlessly because the person(s) he’s opposing are even more ruthless than he. Let’s be fair – we really don’t know anything about Patrick’s business dealings and why he made the choices he did except what Lisa has told us, and feeing as if you’ve been treated unfairly does color one’s interpretation of events.

I happen to agree with you that it’s likely that he’s not to be trusted, but maybe helping him change will require that someone trust him. His lack of profile in recent years gives credence that he’s turned over a new leaf; give him a chance but keep a watch. After all, Daniel seems a lot better off now, doesn’t he?

Whenever I hear someone say, “We can’t take the risk!”, I always wonder what they would say if it was them under scrutiny. America imprisons (and in some cases kills) innocent people daily (well, maybe “not guilty of the crime for which they were convicted.”). I’m all for locking up people with dangerous outbursts in order to protect society, but without treatment to help (an astonishingly large percentage of criminals have disorder that can be treated medically), we’re just warehousing them and that makes better and more well-self-justified criminals (sometimes even when they weren’t criminals in the first place). Rehabilitation is hard and expensive, but we’ve seen the alternative and I’m pretty sure no one has done a cost analysis of the two options. No one wants to pay for society’s outcasts up front. But like the transmission guy says, “you can pay me now, or you can pay me later.”

Well, since Scott took you seriously and since I was responding to Scott, I’m not sure how your joking is remotely relevant.