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SmilingCorpse https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5bd2ee7854fbc2c0fb22e7b1d6a4ea2155426be9786007fb68b483b1b9897a74.png zellgato Whelp time to murder a mind reader I guess. Or Clevin gets back and does it or rather forced to by some aspect in him orther than lord boy AbacusWizard Ah, now we see who’s really in charge inside Patrick. Interesting. Tylikcat We are see part of a hierarchy, anyway. ChildPatrick seems inconsistent with much of what we’ve seen of Patrick, and there’s a fifth Patrick who hasn’t made an appearance yet. Peter G If you count the Sentinel as a Patrick, then we have 5 together in this scene. Scott Maybe Kid Patrick has only recently been given the reins. My theory is that ‘real’ Patrick is struggling with the weight of uncertainty that comes from the resurgence of all the emotions he’s been repressing for years. Rather than deal with the problem, he has fallen for the nostalgia trap of thinking “everything was better when _____” and so now he’s trying to return to a time when he felt certain of himself and the world around him. Graeme Sutton So is that actually the Menace Persona there or is it just another projection (or whatever) that happens to look like Menace? Insanenoodlyguy At this point, I believe Menace is probably Patrick’s desire for stablity the same way Anima is his desire for change. Both it seems can be immediately overruled by “Lord Boy.” Graeme Sutton That doesn’t accord very well with Menace and the Anima fighting each other the way we saw earlier. If they’re both ultimately subservient to Lord Boy it isn’t clear why Anima would be recruiting Allison to help her overthrow Menace rather than the Boy. Insanenoodlyguy Because the boy didn’t get involved in that. He didn’t care. He wants the core barriers up. Allison is a threat to that, not Menace or Anime. I bet As soon as Allison is was destroyed they’d go back to fighting and he will wander off, apathetic. David Gillon First you do away with your rivals (best of all, get them to do away with each other), and only then do you make a play for the Pakhan/Capo di Tutti Capi. Or you may be happiest as the eminence grise pulling the strings from behind the throne, while letting someone else sit in the big seat with the bullseye on the back. MoonicaMusing It’d be interesting if the calling of Alison’s name in the second-last and third-last panel isn’t the same as Feral calling her from the outside in the last… Dave M That’s how I’m reading it. I think the ‘menace’ persona might just be the one who actually want’s to change the status quo, and overthrow the record keepers obsessive storing, Animas sterile logic, and “lord boys” repression. And so, in the classic superhero trope, “Mega girl” will join forces with her arch enemy Menace to take down their common foe for the greater good. 🙂 Also, look at Anima in panel 2. She’s glancing away from both Alison and Lord Boy, as if this turn of events makes her uncomfortable. I guess cold logic and destructive violence don’t go too well together after all. Or maybe the tower represents communication and is the path out, and that IS Ferals voice. Or Gurwara. Never rule out Gurwara. 🙂 MoonicaMusing I think it’s obvious (and meant to be) that Anima and Recordkeeper don’t want to but don’t have a choice. I thought more in terms of the part of Patrick that was falling in love with Alison finally trying to surge up and overcome the repression and cold hard logic of Lord Boy but I also don’t like speculating in such detail, the ride’s half the fun 🙂 Good point about Gurwara, though… Dave M Yeah the ride is at least half of the fun, but I like speculating about what might be, mainly because I enjoy the story, and like thinking about what the current plot points might imply for the future. Fortunately, I’m an older Doctor Who fan as well, and so I try to turn away from the dark side of becoming the unpleaseable fanbase because the story didn’t go the way I speculated it might. 🙂 Nightsbridge The inner ‘Menace’ immediately called on the Sentinel to try to kill Allison the moment he realized she was in there. Dave M Yeah, good point. I’ve looked at those pages again, and while there is a small chance Menace isn’t talking about Alison, or talking about a Alison memory clone, your reading is the most likely. Which leaves us with two solutions. Open the forbidden green door, or face the Menace persona as a final boss fight to reach the exit. Or Gurwara. 🙂 Tom O. Yeah, isn’t there a fifth Patrick persona we haven’t seen yet? Markus Inevitably Al will need to open that metal door to stop Lord Boy. SmilingCorpse The rule of Chekhov’s Door. If a door is shown dramatically, it must be opened by the end. Dean Of course Alison will have to open it. It’s the Green door. ZBass Lord Boy kind of reminds me of Pride. Not quite as creepy though. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8da4c485ffaf6084fb943de12cd2745727629f3e09c87c87f6d4203a68ad659d.jpg wahahahaha HOHENHEIM! Markus Da….dy? Jordan Hiller NO! NONE OF THAT! Lostman Patrick must be giving her a killer headache right now. AdamBombTV Alison has a nosebleed, she must be thinking of something sexy (I’ve been watching a lot of Anime lately) Dave M Only something mildly sexy. If it was really sexy it’d be a jet of blood powerful enough to smash Feral into the wall. Anime characters appear to have ridiculously high blood pressure. Can’t be healthy in the long run. 🙂 Eric Schissel there’s nosebleeds and there’s nosebleeds. Some are caused by/external evidence of really bad things… ColaKitteh Must have gone inside the labyrinth garden with the colosseum inside Patrick’s mind! Zac Caslar And this is where Allison dies and SFP becomes Feral’s story. SmilingCorpse I gotta admit, I would not be sad if it played out that way. Dave M And then 200 comics later, we see Alison step from the shower Dallas style and put on her Mega Girl costume, and it’s the day before they finally meet Menace, and everything else was a vivid dream by Pintsize. 🙂 Weatherheight OR It’s the day after she met Menace, she wakes up on the floor in Menace’s lair with a birthday cake, a mylar balloon, and a gift wrapped mug… elilla So his ego is a child, and not only a child but one who requires to be treated in language like “Lord” and “thy bidding”… …Deep down, Patrick is still a lot more supervillain than his outside persona cares to admit. Harlequin A lot more damaged and defined by his origins, anyway. elilla But there are many ways to be damaged, or even downright evil, that don’t go “I live to serve, Lord” mock-Elisabethan-English moustache twirls. Patrick’s dominant inner identity seems built specifically on supervillain tropes—even as he left that behind as immature/silly in his outward presentation. GreatWyrmGold I mean, the very concept of dominance is pretty supervillainous if you purge it of anything human. elilla Yes, but I feel that one can generally assert dominance, even inhumanity, without resorting to the old second person singular possessive. Power is power, but the specific trappings of power are an æsthetic. GreatWyrmGold What aesthetic did you expect? Feudal emperor? Corrupt policeman? God? elilla If for example you word things in your mind as “what should we do, sir?”, or even “what’s your command, master?”, rather than “what is thy bidding, Lord?” GreatWyrmGold Aren’t we all? Psile Lord Boy seems the most afraid while attempting to exude the most control. He is afraid of his own feelings, of foreign influence, of being vulnerable in any way. He combats this fear by controlling everything that he can and destroying what he can’t control to sate the childish need to feel safe. Most of us are largely controlled by ‘lord boy’ but lack the power to fully realize his desires. Graeme Sutton I’m getting the impression that this isn’t so much the ego as ‘the one who controls the barriers’. He gets to choose who gets deleted so all the other personae have to tread carefully around him even if he doesn’t have an executive function. Giacomo Bandini I do not read it literally, that Chikd Patrick demands an absolute servitude from his subject, but rather as a. Metaphor, that Patrick’s inner child needs are absolute, and threy trumphs every other aspect of his mind and personality. Mechwarrior Makes you wonder about how much of The Conspiracy might be a result of his inferiority complex. Weatherheight I have this twisted idea that there was no Conspiracy… At first… But there’s one now… Kittenbot Doomypants When I’m not a complete zombie I’m going to go back and double check, but didn’t they warn her not to go where she found LB? Seriously, Al, listen to the Patricks inside of Patrick telling you what to and not to Patrick. SmilingCorpse I agree, she should have Patricked when she had the chance. Rookie mistake. Kittenbot Doomypants So she wasn’t straight up told not to go there, or blatantly warned, just kind of warned-ish? For reference: http://strongfemaleprotagonist.com/issue-7/page-54-3/ Jack Warren listen, don’t we all gotta cede control to our lord boy sometimes?? Dave M Give in to our desire to keep our emotional barriers up and never allow the possibility of change and growth, let alone healing of old trauma? Hmm, I’ll respectfully disagree with you on that. To paraphrase Lao Tzu “To be intelligent, every day be prepared to learn something. To become wise, every day be prepared to give up some hard won certainty”. peregon And in the words of Agent Kay: “Try it.” Dave M Words of wisdom from the Sage indeed. 🙂 Scott I think it is more symbolic of trying to return to a time when we felt like life was simpler and more under our control. I think that it is a pretty universal human experience to feel like life was better at some point in your past and that it would be amazing if you could only just go back to that time. Dave M Ok, but “Lord Boy” is literally not trying to return to a better more simpler time, he’s openly in charge of repressing all the trauma and blocking all the emotions associated with that trauma. From what he has shown Alison ,there is no Elysian childhood paradise to return to, just trauma and its associated emotions to be locked away in the name of existing (not living, just existing). Scott I’m not saying that Lord Boy is trying to return to a more simple time, I’m saying that ‘real world’ Patrick is doing so by surrendering control to Lord Boy. Yes, Lord Boy was formed from exposure to a lot of traumatic events but Lord Boy also was self-assured, confident, and had a plan of action. Even if the surrounding circumstances of Lord Boy’s creation aren’t something Patrick is nostalgic for, that sense of certainty might be. My reason for suspecting this is because of why Lord Boy says that Allison must be destroyed; because she is responsible for Patrick’s recent uncertainty and self-doubt. Julia McGuire Wasn’t Menace supposed to be the one in the tower? Also I’m gonna be disappointed if we go through the Inside Patrick’s Mind episode without ever getting a look at what’s up with those hedge mazes. Thomas S I wanna see over the big wall with the thunderous clouds … Julia McGuire But that’s beyond the barrier! Olivier Faure I like how Allison is like “What the fuck, Patrick? Grow up!” She’s more chocked by this revelation than by Anima trying to kill her (honestly, we all knew *that* was coming sooner or later). Thomas S This is multitude of layers of wrong and worse wrong. I had hoped for different but I can see that the design of a multitude within a mind would have one overarching commonality – and we meet “Lord Boy” – the first and to be honest, the must yucky … and while we can see and understand it, it does not help our strong female protagonist in this moment. Our hopes are thrown to Feral – and she is speaking through a tower? A Tower?? Surely the mind of Menace/Patrick can be smashed down far easier than Alison’s physical form. Speaking through a tower will do little, even though the cowed personalities notice this, the voice needs to do more than be heard. I doubt our gold cane wielding interloper will intrude. R Lex Eaton Gotta say, I have no idea how this situation is going to go. The anticipation is maddening. I hope it lasts. 😛 Gotham I love how even Record Keeps’ nerd-ass sartorial choices disapprove of the eminent LARPing at play. “What is thy bidding” seriously smol Patrick Tylikcat Worst resolution: Clevin wakens her with a kiss. Zinc Best resolution: Tara wakes her with a kiss. tygertyger Funniest resolution: Gurwara wakes her with a kiss. Tylikcat twitch R Lex Eaton Trippiest resolution: the fifth aspect, whatever form they take at this point, wakes her with a kiss. David Gillon That’s getting into Julian Assange territory. Anna Pasquarello Sherck This actually makes a lot of sense. Arrested Development. Patrick was traumatized as a child, and some of his development stopped there, so it makes sense that child-Patrick would be in charge of Patrick’s mind (and other selves). Seer of Trope Despite the gravity of the situation, I find it really hilarious that the Megamind persona is unironically throwing drones that has much as an effect as mosquitoes. Also I can’t take Lord Boy seriously. Jshadow Hold on now…. if the kid can control other figments of Menace’s mind, why did they not attack Ali on sight before? Why did the Fem. Menace need rescuing… infact why was she being attacked by mechs in the 1st place? GreatWyrmGold People often aren’t in control of their own minds when they aren’t focused. Why would part of a mind always be in control of the rest of it when they aren’t focused? Jshadow Except this is the author’s idea of what’s happening in a person’s mind. Sad to say, but the answer to my question all comes down to: because plot demands it. Also… Lord Boy….? GreatWyrmGold I mean, if you’re going to have a representation of a person’s mind be something more than a really complicated mess of synapses and electrical potentials and hormones, you’re going to need to de-abstract a lot of it. And yeah, Lord Boy does sound kinda lame. The kind of thing that an emotionally-stunted former supervillain might come up with (and discard if he was consciously aware of it, but he’s presumably not). Weatherheight An excellent question. It’s possible that all of this from the get-go was a ruse. No merely a supervillain, but a Mastermind – they do things differently. Danygalw Because he’s conflicted. Zorae42 The conflict between Fem Patrick and Menace seems to be a squabble about how to do things and not actually jeopardizing the barriers he made, so I doubt he cares how that all goes down. And without him directly there saying “She’s ruining everything, kill her”, they didn’t need to listen to him. Dave M Okay, ‘Lord Boy’ is repression keeping the barriers up, ‘Anima’ is cold unfeeling logic, ‘The Record Keeper’ is gathering and organising information whilst ignoring that correlation may not imply causation, and ‘Menace’ seems to be vengeance and hatred (including self hatred) willing to destroy everything rather than lose. So, does Patrick’s “conspiracy” actually exist or is the evidence he has collected just symptoms of a paranoid delusion? Because from what we’re seeing of Patrick’s mental state, I’m not sure anything he’s got to say on the subject is reliable. bryan rasmussen So Gurwara is living in the tower, probably rent-controlled, that jerk. Flamma Man So, uh. How long do you give Feral until she considers gouging out Patrick’s throat to sever their mind connection? Guilherme Carvalho Good job on the gutter changing from black to white. I hadn’t it noticed going in, it’s a nice touch! Also yeah, “Lord Boy” seems to forget he has an actual physical body that’s not looking too good AND is in the hands of others who just may disagree with his stance on Alison’s longevity. Philip Petrunak I’m still kind of confused by all this. He can read minds, not control them nor re-write them. He can look, but not touch. It’s a one way connection, so how is Alison doing this? Also, just noticed this thing with the arch way, https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d28abb6767b335b0c0c8d20c83ae39beaa67f870be5cc212ab8b13754272759.png Philip Bourque New powers as the plot demands, clearly. Weatherheight Hey, everyone else is getting new powers, why not Patrick? 😀 “Isn’t it about time for a Bastard?” (Full marks to anyone who gets this admittedly obscure reference…) Zinc Are you referring to Rachel’s wolf, Bastard? He was kind of a power-up… Weatherheight Nope. but that’s not bad… (Reference on Friday) Zinc It’s Friday, don’t leave us hanging! Weatherheight I stil have another… oh, blast, it’s already Saturday in Europe. Such a parochial donkey… Piers Anthony wrote a book called “And Eternity…” which is part of his Incarnations of Immortality series. In it, Satan argues that God has fallen down on the job and isn’t paying attention anymore and thus needs to be replaced by someone who will care. The candidate is the child of an unwed mother. He has a long and impassioned speech making the argument that this person is the perfect choice to replace God. And towards the end of the speech he says something to the effect of, “Look, we’ve tried every other choice, and yes, she’s illegitimate, but we’ve never tried a bastard! Isn’t about time for a Bastard?” Kid Chaos The power of suggestion? 🤔 Weatherheight Yeah, because villains never lie about what they can do or what their capabilities are. Isn’t there an Evil Overlord rule about lying to your enemies about what your capabilities are? Ah yes, this is pretty close… TV Tropes Additional Evil Overlord Vows Cellblock A: #1) I will never, under any circumstances, reveal information to any of my enemies that could be used against me. Danygalw You’re only just wondering that now? Zorae42 Well Alison couldn’t fly before and now she can. It seems like Patrick’s powers also developed. Although this doesn’t seem like mind control or anything similar. It seems more like he’s projecting his thoughts to her and reading her reaction to them simultaneously. And as with all fictional mind worlds, getting hurt there causes your real body to respond as if it’s really getting hurt. Mechwarrior It appears that Lord Boy is ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL! Weatherheight It certainly does appear that way… Or has he been in control all this time? Mechwarrior YOU CANNOT RESIST! Kid Chaos “…He was a beast who lost his fangs. That’s why he had to die, and that’s why you have to die, Spike.” 💀 https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=9Me2Fa0BWOc Weatherheight Pay no attention to the voice coming from the tower.. The Great and Powerful Menace Anima Lord Boy has spoken! The problem with smoke and mirrors is that if someone is really good with them, you never can be really sure that you’ve gotten through them all. Fairportfan I half-expected it to be Gurwara – who/whatever he is – that pulled our girl out. Pol Subanajouy Lord Boy as a title…eh…doesn’t quite roll off the tongue like I would hope. Background Character It’s interesting to see how the two seem saddened when they say “We live to serve, Lord Boy”. Do they have some free will after all? They cannot resist his command but they can also express disappointment in doing so. Giacomo Bandini Since the introduction of child Patrick, there was a detail, in this arc, which didn’t sit quiet on me. I find myself asking, what was thepoint of the barriers in Patrick’s mind? The whole point of repressing a traumatic memory is, well, to not remember that memory, so that you have not to deal with the trauma this memory is associated with . Pretty obvious, after all. But when we look at Patrick’s memory of her mother, it doesn’t seem a good job: sure, he does not remember her face, the sound of her voice, but he still remembers all the words she said, and more important, all of her horrorific actions. He remember her trying to kill him, he remember her killing his puppy: this is not protecting from trauma, this is trauma! Then there was this side comment, which Child Patrick said while rewiewing with Allison the moemroy of the car trip: hhs mother asked his past self if he could hear her thought, and the mental Patrick commented “not anymore, thankfully”. At the moment, i found it a strange remark, because obviously Patrick cannot hear her thought any longer, it’s been more than a decade; was it suppose to make us think that he had her killed? But now, thinking about it, i think i finally understand what it meant, and hte purpose of the barrier. Child Patrick is not hearing his mother’s thoughts because they are sealed beyond the barriers: he has not repressed the memories of his mother’s actions, he has repressed the memories of his mother’s thoughts! He can remember his mother killing his dog and trying to kill himself, but thanks god he cannot remember what was she thinking while doing these actions. The Trauma of remembering your mother trying to kill you is enought to make him a psicotic, megalomaniac, paranoid and misantropic individual; but the memories of your mother’s thoughts while she is deciding to kill you in cold blood? PURE HORROR, enough to make him a delirious lunatic. And it makes perfect sense, for a logical mind like his, to keeping the memory of his mother actions while blanketing the thoughts: had he repressed all his memory of hers, he problaby woud have been an happier individual, even if repressed; but he would have lost the context of his situation. Why keep escaping from home, if he didn’t rememer the reasons why he escaped in the first place? He kept the pratical memories he needed to remember to not look back, to explains enought of his origins to himself, while blocking the true damaging stuff. And this is why Alison must die. This is why Alison is so damaging for him. Because the selfless love and acceptation she showed him…. was a MATERNAL love. Of course he tried to keep her away, and now wants to kill her: because her love remind him of his needs for love, and with this comes the true memories of her mother. And he will do everything to repress that memory. Lord Boy is four years old, the age in which he developed telepathy, but i belive that this is secondary. The reason why he’s stuck at this age is because this was the age at which, thanks to his powers, he realized that his mother DOES NOT LOVE HIM. R Lex Eaton Well said. I still stand by this as my response to Patrick’s actions here: https://youtu.be/WLzJAebfEIg Zorae42 I’m not sure if I agree. Repressed memories still exist in the brain, they just aren’t accessible. Hence the barriers. An aspect of Patrick could go out to view the memories so he could subconsciously know he had good reasons to escape from there without consciously remembering the details. My guess is he really did delete the other memories of his mother or they’re behind that massive door (or some other massive door that wasn’t shown to us). Because he doesn’t even want to subconsciously remember that crap. And he put up a barrier around his need for love. Both giving and receiving of it. Alison did not show him Maternal love (she didn’t want to be his mom she wanted to be his partner), but she showed him a love that he was very tempted to return – which would’ve broken down the barriers he set up. I’m certain he had followers as Menace that loved him in a sort of idolistic way or a platonic comraderie way, but that wasn’t an issue because he never felt the need to return that love and merely used it as a means to an end. Zorae42 While I greatly expect the door from before to come into play to get Alison out of this, I could also see it as a plot hook/teaser. Like she gets out of this some other way, gets the info she needs, resolves something between the two of them, and sends him off with some sort of concerned but stern comment. And then it cuts to his mind to show the status of his personas/mental landscape and there’s a final panel of something/someone ominous peaking through the crack of that door.