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  • Zero-ELEC

    So, I just binged read this today (after hearing about it in a Drawfee episode!) and by god is this great! Question: Do y’all have an RSS or Atom feed somewhere?

    • Carouselkie

      Scroll down, its below the About banner on the right hand side.

      • shink

        Oh man Worm, that was a well spent month of my life. Also haven’t heard of the bright sessions, gonna have to check that out.

        • HonestyJon311

          There’s a Worm sequel releasing now if you didn’t know. It’s on its fifth arc.

      • Zero-ELEC

        Thanks!

    • elilla

      One of us! Welcome to the fold!

      • Weatherheight

        Welcome…
        We will add your uniqueness to our own.

    • Oren Leifer

      Two similar stories I would recommend if you like SFP are the podcasts The Bright Sessions (therapy sessions for biodynamics, psychological drama, less action and cynicism, more hope), and the web serial Worm (similarly deconstructed superhero setting, there is an actual law enforcement agency for watching the watchmen, cynical but larger scale, actually explores why superpowers would be given out as they are). Worm fandom also has a fair amount of overlap with SFP fandom.

      • Ragnarok

        Worm is LONG, though…and really really fucked up on a lot of levels. If you’re of the sort who prefers all government authorities to be utterly incompetent then its right up your alley.

        • Eric Meyer

          I mean, Worm’s more about Govmn’t trying to deal with actual world-shattering, cross-borders disasters in a world with superpowers- which, guess what, beurocracy isn’t really set up to handle. Red tape keeps trying to tie up the amorphous ooze of Evil, but only ever winds up tangling the rigid defenders of Good.

        • Danygalw

          I really don’t get where the “utterly incompetent” description comes from.

          • Ragnarok

            This isn’t the right place to get into a debate over how competent Worm’s PRT is, but given their portrayal in Worm…perhaps less ‘incompetent’ and more ‘malice through apathy’.
            Either way, an agency that allows someone to abuse a person to the point of them developing superpowers just because the abuser works for them is either malicious (knowing and allowing it to happen) or incompetent (not noticing this happening despite mechanisms in place to bring it to light).

          • Danygalw

            ‘just because the abuser works for them’?

    • Weatherheight

      Welcome…
      We will add your uniqueness to our own.

  • Gotham

    Welp, someone’s going to fuck up the sewer system and break barriers while she’s at it.

    Now the question is how hard will this plan fail considering Patrick just heard the whole conversation since /he’s the one making it possible to happen jeez Alison/

    • Johan

      Yeah but which Patrick was listening? And she still managed to outmanoeuvre him before so even at a disadvantage she is able to act.
      Maybe she’ll be fast enough. Or maybe we are reading the last pages of this comic. Now that would be a twist ^^

    • Ptorq

      There is no possible way this plan can go wrong.

      NO. POSSIBLE. WAY.

      When did “reverse the polarity” ever fail to work in any schlocky SciFi show?

    • scottfree

      Patrick heard the whole conversation. Okay. Hearing “I am going to punch you in the face” doesn’t really help you all that much if you can’t stop the other guy from punching you.
      “Alison’s just thought about how she’s going to come back and tear our brain apart.” “Fuck.”

    • JeffH

      FREE THE COMPONENT!!!!

  • The Articulator

    izzat a fate reference?

  • Mechwarrior

    “People die when they are killed.”

    • Yirtimd2
    • Kid Chaos

      That’s exactly what I was thinking! I know that somebody copied it, and that’s where I remember it from. I just can’t remember exactly where or when. 😵

      • Mechwarrior

        It’s from an infamously bad fansub of one of the Fate/stay night visual novels.

        • Kid Chaos

          “Kill la Kill”; that’s what I remember it from! Good old Mako… 😎

          • Mitchell Lord

            It’s actually a REALLY famous Japanese saying. “He wouldn’t die even if you killed him”. FSN is most famous because their refernce to it is REALLY badly done.

          • Philip Bourque

            Wasn’t that just some fan-sub that did it really badly? I’ve only ever seen that line subtitled.

          • pleasechangemymind

            Mako is my spirit anime. Too damn pure for this world. “WHEN PEOPLE DIE OF BLOOD LOSS THAT MEANS THEY DIE!”

          • Kid Chaos
    • Mitchell Lord

      “That’s the way it should be!”

    • deebles

      “Let’s do this the old fashioned way! First person to die… loses!”

    • Jordan Hiller

      Godammit Shirou…

    • Dan Nicholson

      “If you die in Canada, you die in Real Life!”

  • Edgedy

    Patrick’s sewage is happiness and rainbows. 🙂

    • critically_damped

      Confirmed Patrick is a unicorn

  • zarawesome

    Feral’s brain is all-organic, non-industrially-processed.

    • Cartheon

      That just makes her a target for those Whole Foods shopping zombies.

  • JohnTomato

    Fiddle heads can only be eaten in the spring.

    • Tylikcat

      …I really can’t see anywhere good a discussion of Alison’s consumption of Tara’s, er, landscaping, might go. *snerk*

      • Eric Meyer

        “Stop eating my brain!”

  • Insanenoodlyguy

    Yes Allison, throw goop at mental manifestations until they act right!
    … then check out the weird sex thing section. You know you want to girl. You gotta know.

    • Tylikcat

      Well, that sounds dull.

  • motorfirebox

    If you die in real life, YOU DIE IN REAL LIFE!

    • Thechynd

      “If you die in the dream, you wake up in reality. Healthy recovery in next to no time. Ask me what happens if you die in reality?”

      “What happens?”

      “You die, stupid. That’s why it’s called reality.”

      • Mitchell Lord

        “Unless you’re Rory.”

    • ShadowW

      If you die in real life, you die in your dreams.

  • Sara Finn

    Three guesses what’s on the other side of that locked door that no one goes into.

    …anyone?

    • Eric Meyer

      Memories of his mother’s love.

  • Gotham

    I let others do it because I can’t reap all the upvotes every time but, for hilarious reference: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c29427623f0696a52809e4a10eb61af28dc4c8a18d55f45f9bf627d8a5a39b65.jpg

    • Skudplastr

      I’m glad someone did this. It is an important cultural reference that must be acknowledged.

    • RobNiner ♫

      ….and that’s how it should be.

    • Todd

      Really?

      Am I the only one to do this?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJB6Yrj17Q

  • Pol Subanajouy

    I was sincerely hoping Al would respond with, “Not if I kill them dead first!” Heh.

  • Jshadow

    Why did the toxic bit have to be bolded? We going into the whole “toxic masculinity” again? -_-

    • Tylikcat

      …do you see Patrick as a paragon of masculinity? I mean, *maybe* Menace…

      • Eric Meyer

        MAN as in PERSON, as opposed to HUMAN as in BIOLOGICAL ORGANISM OF THE GENUS HOMO SPECIES SAPIENS.

        • Tylikcat

          …er?

    • shink

      Toxic masculinity wrapped in wealth and white privilege was was much more Max. This story is about how abuse and being isolated from peers warps people into extreme and sociopathic mind sets and behaviors, and how one can come to view those behaviors as essential coping mechanisms.

    • Grant

      It’s toxic because it’s emotion. It’s irrational instinct. For a man who’s devoted most of his living memory to being as cold, calculating, and rational as possible, for his own survival, it’s the antithesis of his existence.
      It’s toxic because it’s HUMAN (slightly ironic, given that Feral’s image of herself is a catgirl). Patrick goes through the motions of what he thinks a HUMAN should do, not just what a MAN should do.

      • Thomas S

        This is so much Yeth, I think yeth to this ithdea!

    • Weatherheight

      Emotion isn’t truly controllable.
      Emotion isn’t logical or rational.
      Emotion isn’t generally structured in ways that are easily examined.
      All the manifestations we’ve seen of Patrick appear to be all about about control, so anything uncontrollable is going to anathema to them.
      I suppose one can link his gender to this, but I think this isn’t exclusively a masculine thing

  • Philip Bourque

    So what’s she going to do? Throw meaningless pseudo-philosophical nonsense at them?

    • Grant

      She’s gonna use his own metaphors against him and destroy his mental city with the emotion he’s been removing from his life for as long as he could.

      • R Lex Eaton

        So in other words…

        Tear down the Wall? ^^

        This had better match the finale of Pink Floyd’s concept album in terms of satisfaction.

        • Weatherheight

          “The way you’ve made you suffer
          “your exquisite life and mother
          “Fills me with the urge to explicate!”

          • R Lex Eaton

            Which brings up an interesting point…

            I wonder how such a solution would play out. In “The Wall,” it’s ambiguous as to how Pink ends up following his mental deterioration and psychotic breakdown on stage. The destruction of the Wall is probably going to be good, but how long will it be until he makes progress back to normal?

            Methinks Pat still has a long road ahead. As does Alison.

          • Weatherheight

            Given a lot of Roger Water’s interest in emotional and mental breakdown was very, very likely to tie directly back to Syd Barrett coming unglued after Piper at the Gates of Dawn (or maybe “during” is a better description), one can argue it’s not likely to be fast for poor Pink, given how Syd turned out..

            I for one will feel very cheated if Patrick recovers quickly. I was moderately furious at the second season of Heroes when the new writers screwed up Nikki’s powers/plot and then, because the original writers accurately depicted a person with a severe dissociative disorder problem as actually having problems, the fans turned on her. I haven’t watched Legion yet, but I have hopes…

          • R Lex Eaton

            Neat. Never actually saw Heroes myself, so I’m only passingly familiar with the season and change where it was amazing.

            And as a fan of psychology, I don’t like epiphany therapy in fiction either. I recall a neat play on it in Analyze This, where the climactic scene where DeNiro’s character confronted his trauma sends him into a breakdown. The epiphany does not magically cure him, but makes him commit to the treatment.

          • Weatherheight

            I really loved that Nikki’s commitment to the therapy meant she had to endure some truly heinous meds and psychic trauma – meds to treat dissociative disorder often have side effects like those for Bipolar Disorder but cranked up to 11. Lack of motivation, difficulty focusing on tasks, and sensations of ego boundary collapse are pretty common. In one sense, the meds are intended to attempt to force a nervous breakdown / ego collapse (think basic training but nowhere near as sensitive and kind).
            Once got to see someone going through this process – part of my reason to stop pursuing psychology as a profession was the realization I would have to *force* people into horrifically painful situations for their eventual good.
            Yeah, found out I’m not quite that hard…

    • Eric Meyer

      Nah. Component isn’t philosophy or nonsense- it’s Emotions.

    • Zorae42

      She’s gonna hug him 😀

    • Thomas S

      The opposite of run away is … um .. nur yawa

      This does not help me at all.

      Opposite of being held hostage to a cluster of different splintered minds is to combine all the splintered minds together in the same place and glue them together? Is that the opposite that has inspired Alison? Where would you find the glue?

      I gotta say, what I love about SFP is that in hindsight you can see how the plot got where it is, but while you are riding the storyline, it’s bemusing. Sometimes I get a shape of the outcome, but it’s not a certain thing at all. In this case, I am quite bemused – I think it’s either to do with the Hall of Memories, or her ability to fly in the mindscape or the great wall all around the minds, which might be emotions being kept a bay, and she uses the power of love (or power of Kwai, equally powerful in other contexts) to create a new Patrick that integrates, knows, wise and aware PLUS is not a doouchebanger to her.

  • Amanda

    “You should not have come back into my mind, Alison. I never knew you were this foolish. What could have possibly made you do this?”

  • Pomegranate

    I think perhaps this has to do with her regenerative properties- after all- poison and regeneration are opposites

  • zellgato

    Well… I guess she’s up and fully realized her powers in her mind now.
    so it’ll be a lot easier going back anyway

    half surprised feral doesn’t try

  • Mr. Patrick, tear down that wall! And that other wall!

  • Todd

    Um . . . is it just me, or has dream-Feral’s tail been creeping up her back since we first met her?

    • scottfree

      I mean, it’s not a real tail. It’s a conceptual tail that she just kind of subconsciously wants/feels she has. It probably moves around a lot.

  • bryan rasmussen

    I’m guessing this is but I really love you boy patrick and I accept you for who you are. hold my hand.

    no, I’m melting, I’m melting, all my beautiful poutiness, gone, gone, gone.

  • Hiram

    Patrick, we’re going to try some immersion therapy. By which I mean I’m going to immerse you in the metaphorical essence of all your suppressed emotional baggage until all the weak parts of you die. Then we’ll round out the day by cramming you in a small acrylic box filled with scorpions and para-dropping you from a great height.

  • yall i think its time to update the cast page lmao

  • Natsumeg

    I’m so optimistic and hopeful right now for Patrick.

  • Natsumeg

    I am incredibly happy about these developments with Patrick. I’m a little ashamed of myself for this, but tbh, sfp was my favorite comic and I had fallen completely in love with it on a deep personal level, and when I got to page 76 in issue 3, even though in retrospect it wasn’t that important, there was something that just completely rubbed me the wrong way with how Cleaver was characterized, that I ended quickly abandoning the comic for years.

    Objectively, I don’t even think I was right. It’s just that when I get so deeply attached to something, I have a bad habit of really becoming emotionally invested to the point of unhealthy obsession.

    At the time, it felt like the character of Cleaver idk…I don’t want to say his character wasn’t portrayed with respect, because that’s not true and it’s not like he’s my character. It was more like for me, on a personal level, how he reacted in that situation felt remarkable to me, but it wasn’t really framed that way. There he was stuck in a place of isolation and complete powerlessness, and here comes well-intentioned Alison, who was there to unload on him these deeply personal details about herself. And while in essence it really was what Daniel needed to hear, it never made sense to me that he would get at the essence of what Alison was saying immediately, or agree with her, considering the power dynamic in that situation in the first place.

    At the end of the day, Alison still had all the power, and her ‘flaunting’ it in front of Daniel’s face and admitting to it is almost cruel. I think most readers, with the context of what we just saw Alison go through, understand exactly what she was trying to get at, and understand she wasn’t trying to flaunt anything but was trying to let Cleaver see a very vulnerable and angry part of her so that when she says she feels bad, Cleaver can see that it’s not just some shallow attempt at pity.

    But the line ‘I’m not really different from you’ felt like such a cruel thing to say, even with what Allison says immediately afterwards. Idk. Idk what she could have said instead, but if I was in even a little bit of a similar situation as Daniel was in, and a person who I perceived to have received everything I didn’t growing up came into a room where I was literally chained, where she had all the power, and began saying these things, I would not have reacted nearly as well as Daniel did. So the thing I took out of the whole situation was that Daniel was truly an incredibly good and brilliant person.

    And the issue I guess I took out of the whole thing was that it felt to me at the time like the story was framed in a strangely patronizing way towards Cleaver, that all he did in that whole situation was to react, and to agree with Alison, and there didn’t seem to be much consideration about the power inequality in that scene. To me, it felt like Alison was portrayed to be the one who was dropping truths that Cleaver had never considered, though there was that brilliant line written for him where he said ‘why are you telling me this’, implying he did think about these things and is annoyed at Alison saying these things like they’re something neither of them have ever considered. But then the way he reacted in the following pages kind of undercut this. It felt like there was a contradiction with how Cleaver reacted to what Alison was saying with how he then gracefully interpreted everything. I’m not explaining it very well, but I just got very frustrated with the whole thing. Daniel felt like such a powerful and interesting character, and in that moment it felt like all of that was created really just to service Alison’s development and to make us feel empathy for Alison and to get us to love her for how genuine she was, at Cleaver’s expense.

    But anyways it wasn’t really even fair for me to feel those things. I took my love of the comic and plunged straight into toxic obsession and overanalysis, offending myself.

    But the point is, with that context of where I’m coming from, I really love this arc. I think in my mind, Cleaver and Alison becoming friends should have happened much slower–getting Cleaver to trust Alison’s intentions and her words should have taken longer, and all the real trauma and pain that Daniel might have had to deal with, and whatever bad habits and bad coping mechanisms he picked up–none of that was really even acknowledged. It felt a little like that weird part of Neal Stephenson’s The Diamond Age when one of the characters was raped and the story implied that no real trauma will occur and that the character simply pushing it to the background is the noble and strong thing to do. It made me a bit sad.

    But with Patrick, we got what we couldn’t get with Cleaver–time. We see the conflict in him, with how much he wants to have connections with people, but we see his coping mechanisms screw him over repeatedly. We see how vulnerable he is and more importantly, how even when he was friends with Alison, his problems didn’t go away. I absolutely love how the comic has acknowledged a little bit of the sheer scale of bad habits and fears and pain that can come with any kind of trauma, how in that situation, even the act of trying get better can be a new kind of trauma, a very deep and cutting kind of pain.

    Tldr, this arc is really great.

  • Darkoneko Hellsing

    People die when they are killed.

  • Jessica Bright

    did i miss something