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He’s just out of shot. Mechwarrior Are you sure it’s not Patrick dressed as Pinky Pie? motorfirebox Not to be confused with Mein Pat, Patrick’s alt-right persona. Dean Or Chow Mein Patrick, who just wants to eat noodles. Markus Mane Pat is also Main Pat. Pun strats are on point tonight my dudes. Gotham And then you’ve got Maine Pat, who got the bad idea to bury Skipper in Ludlow. Weatherheight “Transformers are so much better…” rpenner You might be a redneck if after therapeutic catharsis you find that you have turned your discarded avatars into flower planters on the front lawn of your new mental palace. Olivier Faure Nooooooooooooooooooooo not Dorky Librarian Patrick :'( Also, if the city can be destroyed and on fire while Patrick is still perfectly fine, was it really doing anything in the first place? Maybe Patrick doesn’t need to rebuild it at all. … why are Menace and Anima’s corpses hugging? Gotham Everybody gets a hug today Aresius I ship it xDDD Weatherheight Actually, that makes a sort of hopeful psychological sense, in a “kind of odd” way. Sort of a “each aspect has clung to the other aspect to try to survive the flood and each finds a kind of acceptance of the other” thing. Interesting, very interesting… cphoenix Ruins of a walled city, crumbling towers and beams of yellow light No flags of truce, no cries of pity – the siege guns have been pounding through the night …And if I built this fortress around your heart, encircling you in fences and barbed wire, Then let me build a bridge; I cannot fill the chasm – Let me set the battlements on fire. https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/sting/fortressaroundyourheart.html Ladon God dammit, god dammit, god dammit I love that song, and its rediculously appropriate here and now I’m jealous I didn’t think of this you magnificant bastard. Zac Caslar Damn good choice. Weatherheight Damn Good Album. Jace That’s really touching, honestly it is. If only other people could figuratively embrace their inner child a and inner fears to be better… Thomas S There might be a few misplaced memories and attributes throughout this city of memory. “where did I put my Oedipis complex? Ah, there it is, right next to my cake phobia.” JohnTomato The cake is a lie. bryan rasmussen He’s going to ‘take care of him’, another senseless death. Aresius He does look sinister-like with that reddish light over him xD David Gillon I told you to ‘take care of him’, not to ‘take care of him’! (51st State) Markus Wow. Pat didn’t just have an ego-death here, he went on a multi faced ego spree killing. Gotham Well. Alison. Tylikcat In comparison to ChildPatrick (Lord Boy really don’t seem appropriate anymore) the others just kind of look like abandoned automata, don’t they? David Gillon DeposedBoy? Anima looks like they’re sleeping, but Menace (look at the cloak), appears to be literally seeping into the rubble friendlymosquito I sorta did that once. They don’t actually die, they just get buried until they come crawling back out of your subconscious for you to deal with one by one 😛 Thomas S Lovely, this looks like a final resolution is due soon. I think what happens is that the avatars, like Lord Boy, will need to be incorporated into a new Patrick, one that fuses his personalities, not partiticians, his personalities. However, if: 1. mind manipulation requires the mind to be Inhumanising and Dismised. 2. mind reading requires 2 way engagement, to the other mind, being open to Compassionate loving kindness, and if 3. mind speaking requires Wonder and Curosity of the other mind, then 4. Self work on his mind, not just his memories, requires another field of emotions and framings – I cannot think of what that could be. The above progression is not the journeys of trauma and adaption to trauma that I expect. Also, how his telepathy functions afterwards might be very different. EG. I would expext Menace needed strong barriers of love and loathing in order to use his powers. Before, love of his minions like Cleaver, and loathing of the Norms that he sought to subjugate. There is an abusive side to Menace using his powers – so to this abusive side to the Lord Boy construct. I’m curious if he has more or less powers going forward. When/If Patrick is integrated, I am guessing strong feelings within a bunch of new replacement arbitary rules will power his capacity to act with powers. Same as before. Parts arising from disfunction, part from healthy love. What role Alison here? I’d love him to love Humanity, not just the damaged and excluded like Cleaver. Lets See. Eli Pomerantz you have your mind reading and mind speaking mixed up; “Speaking in someone else’s mind is about letting them into yours, another thing I never want to do”, i.e., a two way engagement “Mind reading is about wonder. About curiosity.About….people. About wanting to know them. Wanting to truly know them” – it’s not actually about love, but curiosity… he does go on to say “I love people”, but not as a requirement for mind reading, rather his love of people sounds like the source of his curiosity. I also wonder if it’s not a generalized love of people, ie, he loves people, but hates particular persons, but can still read their minds because he is curious about what they are thinking I think it’s a fascinating idea that all he requires to read his own mind in the right mental framing, although in response to Allison asking if he was certain on how this all works, he did say “Yes. Even before I tried it. Telepathy just works that way”, so maybe he instinctively knew all the rules? So perhaps he knows he can’t, regardless of mind state Tylikcat We’re still missing a big chunk of his backstory – he’s already walked away from being Menace before the opening of the comic. We vaguely know this had something to do with discovering the conspiracy, but there’s more there that we don’t know… and also probably a lot involved with growing up – Menace being a product both of his awful upbringing and of being an alienated teenager. Clearly there’s more work to do, but going from where he was to reaching out to Alison (assuming that was straight) shows a lot of growth, and I think that’s worth keeping in mind. Stuff happened with him, to the point where he didn’t really identify as a person, but was trying to do good things. Dropkick Good to know that you really can just punch mental illness away. Arthur Frayn She can, now that they established her powers are more mental than physical. Also in a physical metaphor of his mental constructions, it’s appropriate. You still can’t punch starvation, but little steps at first. Dropkick So you’re saying next arc will be about her powers become metaphysical and she will solve starvation by punching the concept of hunger out of people? Callinectes More like punching the food mountains until their splattered remnants are distributed fairly across the increasingly sticky globe. Dropkick The food entirely consisting of pasta. Callinectes I was thinking she’d start with butter. Weatherheight Her power is TK, which is mentally interacting with and affecting the physical world. Patrick’s power is Telepathy, which is mentally interacting with and affecting the psychic world. These are the two classic divisions in the genre (physical realm versus psychic realm). It’s possible that Alison also has some mentat powers, but it seems more reasonable to me that this is all Alison playing with Patrick’s rules and abusing the rules set mostly due to her brute force of will and innate self-belief (also a trope of the genre). I concede I could be wrong. Tylikcat …and possibly Patrick’s conception of her, too. JP Well, technically there’s a few faces you could punch to end starvation… specifically the ones behind meat subsidies because they artificially lower the price of meat below the price of a salad, and while there’s not enough meat to feed the world, there IS enough plants to feed the world if we stopped feeding all the grains to subsidized pigs and cows. David Gillon Memetic warfare JohnTomato Clark Kent/Superman is a psionic monster. No one can lift a car… mountain… planet… with one hand. TK is why he can leap tall buildings or fly into orbit or why his powers set is always changing via deus ex machina. http://superman.wikia.com/wiki/Superman%27s_Powers_and_Abilities Khlovia The real reason Supes can fly: The sound effects guys on the radio show in the 1940s decided it was easier to do a whoosh-whoosh than a grunt-thoom-thud, grunt-thoom-thud for leaping. He’s been able to fly ever since, with each new generation of writers frantically retconning away. JohnTomato You’re telling me Superman isn’t real? I like the first TV series intro where the bad guys shoot Supes a dozen times with the bullets bouncing off his Super Chest… then the crooks throw their pistols and Supes ducks to miss those pistols. I was a kid when that was on TV and it made no sense then. Khlovia LOL, I know, absolutely hilarious. The poor actor couldn’t help flinching, and they left it in. Shoulda made some nerf pistols, or something. Ladon “Wait, So… you’re fine? You mindscape is in fucking ruins and you’re just fine?” “Yes, Lord Boy. It was pretty traumatic… but I had a friend to help me through all the trauma.” “Your mind metaphor is ON FIRE” “But with my friend beside me, I can withstand anything” “that’s… not how therapy works” “good thing this wasn’t therapy. This was magical brain mysteries that we solved by smashing magical brain metaphors.” “That’s… that’s fucking… stupid…” *dies* “look man, the writers are doing their best here, I’m sorry we couldn’t extend the sad bit for another three months while I recover from whatever the hell this was, ok?” Alison: “Yo, what’s that about writers?” Patrick: *looking concerned* “how many walls did you break?” Alison: “all of them. Why?” Patrick: “even the fourth one?” Allison: “there is no part of your brain metaphor I didn’t total here” Patrick: “Dammit! Deadpool already overdoes this shit!” Dean Alison: “And it got him the second-highest grossing R rated movie ever. We should be half as lucky!” Dropkick Seriously it’s pretty amazing that years of coping with childhood abuse and having a mental condition that is incredibly draining on your mind to the point that you have to carve up yourself to maintain your sense of identity can be essentially cured by someone telling you to grow up while forcefully ripping down your coping methods. Graeme Sutton Oh My God… Jordan Peterson was right. Jshadow When wasn’t he? =P Gotham Long rampant have been the rumors that once, eons ago, the sun rose on another Earth, and Jordan Peterson contracted the human vocal chords of his mortal coil to produce sounds through air vibration akin to that by way of which his species communicates, and, in a language nobody remembers, this physical event was meant to signify: “Oh look, the sun is up”. This, my friends, is the tale of the only time Jordan Perterson was ever right about anything. Of course, it is a obvious lie whose purpose is to make children believe that this world still comprises the magic of innocence, nativité and imagination, and most recognize on their own somewhere around 3 that, of course, Jordan Peterson has never been right any fucking thing Dawn Smashington I had really hoped I could skip learning about some new awful person, but the attention on this Peterson dude has been persistent as fuck. I don’t really have words for seeing people debate whether or not women have the right to choose who they love. I have other things for that, blunt-object related, but no words. The world is on fire and I’m just here trying to enjoy a nice story about a super strength woman who keeps fucking up because she hasn’t learned yet that force is not the answer to hard problems Mechwarrior Peterson’s fans are so toxic that any time you get at least three of them in the same room it should be designated a Superfund site. I mean really, when the best interpretation of a guy’s statements are that if guys are violent it’s women’s fault for not taking care of them, you know you’re dealing with a piece of work. Tylikcat The basic logical lapses of these folks who want to build some powerful vision of masculinity but can only imagine building it on the backs of women, thereby rendering it fragile as fuck, continues to astound me. Mechwarrior Don’t even get me started on the lobsters. Tylikcat Hey, I’ve taught the neurological basis of social dominance in crayfish (which is pretty darned similar, and a better model for introductory course*) and… yeah. Not without scotch. Why not talk about social hierarchies in primates? Or rodents? That could be great, because it really depends on the critter in question and how social they are… * OMG, you should have seen a couple of my students, who decided to run a crayfish Fight Club for part of their final project, giving the crayfish prosthetic claws to throw off their perception of the initial threat display. It was hilarious. And so many parallels can be drawn. (I think one of them, M, is now in her neurosurgical residency – she was a research student for a bit, doing neural modeling.) Giacomo Bandini oh that one. Very interesting. Despite the correctness of scientific data about lobster’s behaviours, which i do not know personally, i think that some kind of hierachical structure is a necessary part of human society. Of course, this says nothing about what criteria you should use in building this hierarchy. Gotham No. Or only if you personally get to be on the lowest ladder. Yes, why not? Giacomo Bandini I cannot imagine a society without some kind of hierarchy. You can? Gotham I fail to see how that would matter Mechwarrior Lobsters are absurdly far-removed from humans on a genetic and evolutionary basis. Looking at lobster genetics or behavior and trying to make some sort of claim about humans based on that is beyond silly. Every mammal is orders of magnitude more closely related to humans than crustaceans, but nobody’s proposing that because aardvarks live in burrows and eat termites with their tongues, it’s the correct way for humans to behave. Tylikcat I find it annoying because he’s playing fast and loose with the data – and I don’t know if he’s doing so intentionally or because he really doesn’t understand it that well. (It’s almost certainly not taught with the same degree of detail in psychology, and, well, he’s not a neurobiologist.) They happen to be into extreme hierarchies and fighting. But they’re no closer to humans than the sea slugs I spend the most time with – which are also social, and spend much of their adult lives in giant multi slug balls having slow sluggy sex, no hierarchies needed. There’s a huge range of examples from biology, which radically different tales to tell. His choices tell more about him than they do about us. Giacomo Bandini I’m sorry cousin, but why do you say that? for what i have seen on the internet, i do not get these kind of message. Tylikcat From a NYT interview Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married. “He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.” Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end. “Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.” I laugh, because it is absurd. “You’re laughing about them,” he says, giving me a disappointed look. “That’s because you’re female.” …seriously, the idea that women are distributed to chill out men who would otherwise be committing acts of public mayhem (because domestic mayhem is so much better) is pretty abhorrent to me. If men aren’t anything without women to lord over, yeah, I’d call that a failed model of masculinity. But I’d also call Peterson a pretty failed human being for this model, as well as several others. Giacomo Bandini Tyl, men are nothing without recognition. This is how it is. The point of the game is to reproduce – or, to be more precise – to convince your inner mechanisms that you are worthy of reproduction. Look, i do not agree wirh Peterson enforced monogamy, it sound completely absurd but….. yes a man is nothing without a woman approval. Approval mind you, not submission. Damnit, we male exist for two things: to fight, and to mate. Sure, you can go the “fight club” way, set artificial way to express testosteron. And it eve may work, if done right: i do not see a black belt karate throwing his car on a crowd. But it does not sound as a global solution. So, it boils down to women. Gotham One the one hand, I yearn to correct the so misguided rationale that spreads from such a true place—that men hurt because of toxic masculinity which makes them believe such idiocies as “we male exist for two things: to fight, and to mate”, leaving them emotionally unprepared to face social challenges and inept maturity- and empathy-wise— But on the other hand you managed to forget gay men exist My indulgence is limited, gals Giacomo Bandini What the hell gay men have to do with this? Gotham This is my line. If reproducing is the “point of the game” then how do you factor homosexuality, or is it thrown under the bus for the sake of that simplistic model’s purity? Also, why exactly would all of what you said apply to heterosexual men and not, say, hetereosexual women? If it does apply to both then what the point of bringing any of that up into this specific conversation? Mechwarrior Because to Petersonites, straight men are the only people who are actually people. Everyone else exists only to provide them with external validation and comfort, or to be blamed for “making” them do bad things. Zorae42 There’s also the existence of asexual people to take into account. They really mess up the whole model. Giacomo Bandini ” The point of the game is to reproduce – or, to be more precise – to convince your inner mechanisms that you are worthy of reproduction.” I belive it’s exactly the same for gay men. Of course, the strategies they use to convince their inner mechanisms that they are worthy of reproduction are different, since they cannot directly have children of they. What exactly these are, i do not know. And for women, it is just different. If a male dies fighting a predator, his gene may eventually continue inside his female pregnant companion. If the female dies, game over. If a male mates numerous times with different female, he has greater chance to have children; if a femalehas many partner, the number of child is still limited by her physiology. Gotham Oh, I see, that makes perfect sense: because males have such a greater range and opportunity to partake in their Divine Duty to perpetuate their genes, the pressure is off for them and it makes them crave validation less. Women, on the other hand, the violent of the sole two FDA-approved genders, are driven by their limited window of opportunity to overperform, yearn for acceptance and thus sex all the more so as not to miss their chance, which in turns gives us a clear purview as to the so many instances of fed up women going into killing sprees and so much violence and societal bigotry against men, as a coping mechanism for all the sex they’re not getting. Wait Giacomo Bandini You are some sort of ninja master of strawmanning. No, nothing you just said could be inferred from my model. My model simply suggest that in nature to be able to fight, and to be able have numerous sexual partner is a good strategy to have a numerous progeny; for a female it is not the same. I stand my position. A male with fighting capability and sexual promiscuity equals greater numbers of offspring; a female with the same carateristics do not. Do you disagree with these specific points? Gotham I was going to say “this is painfully obvious and completely irrevelant to the question we started on so good luck getting there it’s going to be funny and most likely wrong” but then I realized: Yes. I do disagree. A woman who dies in a fight against a bear (a tragedy that happens so often) and lose and who wasn’t “sexually promiscuous” will absolutely end up with less children than one sex-crazed warmonger. See, foregoing the cultural, social, historical causes behind behavioral differences between genders, you walk backward ass first into the trapping of coming up with a theory that explains straight men’s behavior *and benefits patriarchal interests* (“No, it’s totally normal men murder in the name of wanting sex! It’s biological, see?”) and then fills in the rest about what’s left of humanity to accommodate for that first wrong assumption. X + Y = 2, hm, I’ll assume X = 1 which means Y = 1 that’s it I found it I resolved the solution no need to go further my work here is done wait what are you saying there are other possible solutions an infinitude of them in fact what are you a filthy decadent postmodern neomarxist” I did the same, only, starting with straight women in my previous comment, and it was the stupidest shit I’ve ever written. Your model, by virtue of being infuriatingly old and unwilling to finally fucking dying off under the pressure of my choking fingers, is even worse Dan Steadman Gotham, for once I find myself with you in this argument and admire you for your restraint. Also, I’m sure you were just providing a counterpoint example but consider pacifist and asexual men for your examples as homosexual men do mate, they just don’t procreate with other men. Gotham /For once/? and yeah the point was to showcase that mating and procreation are, contrary to idiots beliefs, not the same thing Tylikcat “if that which you seek, you find not within yourself, you will never find it without.” Happyroach A simpler solution would be simply to castrate those frustrated guys. And put them on tranquilizers. But taking the rights of those guys away doesn’t seem to cross Peterson’s mind. And Peterson has obviously never actually talked to a woman in his life. Millions of women go for low-status guys who are flat broke and have no prospects all the time, because they make them feel good. Sometimes. And there’s far more women who simply want men who meet the basic qualifications for adulthood and to treat them as equal human beings. And get constantly disappointed. TLDR: Peterson is a bullshitter who tells MRA types what they want to hear. Mechwarrior Peterson is like Bloody Mary: mention him on the internet and it summons a fanboy who tries to defend him while having no idea what the actual discussion is about. Giacomo Bandini I’m sorry, but where in the hell he woulf have stated that? Mechwarrior After the incident in Toronto a couple weeks ago where a guy murdered ten people by driving a truck into a crowd, Peterson issued an op-ed about how some men were angry and turning to violence because women rejected them. He proposed stopping it with “enforced monogamy,” his words. Even if you choose not to interpret it as calling for the institution of state-sponsored sex slavery, it was 100% shifting the blame off to women for the actions of a man. Giacomo Bandini Blame? What a strange concept. A men which is rejected by women is a biological bomb. That is how it is. Your genes are facing exctintions, and they’ll do everything to stop it – even engaging into antisocial behaviors. That is simply how it is. I do not think than forced monogamy is the solution….it sound pretty absurd, to tell the truth. Mechwarrior No, a man is not a biological bomb. Every day across the US, thousands of men are turned down by women and are able to get on with their lives because they’re not entitled brats who think that they deserve to have sex with someone. The a-hole in Toronto did not kill people because he wasn’t getting laid. He did it because he was someone who had an entitlement complex and never learned that he didn’t deserve to get everything his way all the time. If he had been in a relationship, he’d have abused his partner, because that’s what people like him do. There is no biological justification for his behavior and there’s no excuse either. Dawn Smashington Yeah, blaming women for turning men into non-thinking blobs of violent DNA is one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve heard come out of a creature’s mouth. Giacomo Bandini You do not know what you are talking about. The men the pain you so casually dismissed do not “get on with their lives”. They shamble in it, like zombies. They live in a pertetual circle of self-hate, and world-hate. They keep down an infinite rage inside themselves, a fire that could burn the world.. and sometimes it does. No, it is not entitlement… it is pain. It is grief, it is Solitude, to a degree which cannot be expressed. It will burn you, poison every relation you could built. It’s an abyss which will suck you into, and it will reflect into you. You will become the monster you belive other people belive you are. Only love, true love, could save you, but not everyone is lucky like me. So wash your damned mouth before you dismiss someone else pain like that. Mechwarrior Hahahahahaha! Seriously, dude, grow the fuck up. Most men are not incels and do not feel that they are owed anything by women. So they are mature enough to handle rejection and do not have an existential crisis just because a woman doesn’t want to go out with them. The world doesn’t owe you sex or relationships, learn how to deal. That’s just your entitlement speaking, and guess what, it’s not doing you any favors. In fact, acting like you’re owed anything is actually hurting you: it certainly makes you look less attractive to women. So try growing up. Or don’t and go back to your mom because it’s time for your diapers to be changed before your nap. Either way, don’t bother replying because I’ve already filled out my whiny loser incel (but I repeat myself) bingo card and don’t have any interest in anything further you’re going to say, so you’re on my blocked list now. Giacomo Bandini You are a Monster. grthwllms . There’s a certain level of building amazement that comes through the consistency with which Peterson defenders just sort of show up, pretend not to ‘really’ know who he is and then launch into psuedo intellectual defenses of his largely unsubstantiated assertions. Tell me, Giacomo, why did you start this conversation four hours ago saying you barely knew who he was and had only seen a few videos and agreed with a few points, only to now tell us that he is famous and make an impassioned statement of the inhumanity of one of his detractors? The truth is most assuredly that most men do not feel an existential crisis from rejection. Peterson is exploiting a portion of the population that lacks emotional maturity. He is doing so by presenting a view of the world where they are being righteously denied a birthright rather than simply moving through the world as we all do. The pain that you’re describing does not exist for the wild majority of the male population. It is born of an entitlement to something that was never yours to “Take” to begin with. Giacomo Bandini I’m not making an impassioned statement of the inhumanity of one of his detractors. I’m stating the inhumanity of the Jock who laughted at my pain. This is a false equivalence. I’m not talking of occasional rejection. I’m talking of persons who – like me until very recently – NEVER HAD ANY KIND OF RELATIONS FOR DECADES. Trust me my friend: a person in this situation GOES into existential crisis. Dawn Smashington I haven’t been in a relationship for about a decade myself. *checks kill count* Nah still zero brah Giacomo Bandini I m sorry about that. Dawn Smashington I am not, therefore there is no need for anyone else to be. grthwllms . You presuming they’re a jock is just another level of this ridiculous self aggrandizement, wherein rather than rationally assess whether you’ve actually behaved in a way that would make someone want to date you, there’s a conspiratorial relationship between all women and a class of males that set out to deny you and humiliate you on purpose. It’s the same mindset and rhetoric as Elliot Rodger. It inflates your importance by making you someone that HAS to be kept down and that they know and deliberately endeavor to target rather than just some guy who was probably more than a little weird while trying to court women. And i am, too, talking about never having a relationship for decades. (Though “Any kind” is I’m assuming some hyperbole unless you legitimately never pursued any friends at all.) Plenty of people go their entire lives without romance. It can be sad, it can be lonely, but it doesn’t entitle them to the affection of another without their consent or to commit violence against those people. If you experience an existential crisis from a lack of romance then you are emotionally immature. It’s your own responsibility to be better. Giacomo Bandini In the past, jocks mocked you because you were a weirdo, or not.manly, or stuff like that. Now they tell you that going into existential crisis for lack of romance is “emotional immaturity”. You guys got refined in the years. grthwllms . I have literally never in my life been a “Jock”. I was playing DND and Command And Conquer, not football. I’m saying you have emotional immaturity because that’s what you yourself have told me. Much in the same way that if you told me you have a sore throat and a stuffy nose, I might say “You have a cold”. If you cannot handle being rejected, if you are so desperate for someone to take you in their arms and be your outlet for every negative emotion, that your response is to imagine retribution and violence against others, then you are emotionally immature. You lack the ability to properly express and reflect how you feel. grthwllms . Your existential crisis was a byproduct of that immaturity. Human beings are generally speaking very capable of processing emotions, and most men and women alike can express and understand their emotions with friends just as readily as a romantic partner. You’ve been convinced however that the only way to completion in life is romance, and that being denied it was a deliberate harm against you, rather than another, equal person expressing that they did not want to be with you even if you wanted to be with them. You don’t just want a girlfriend, you want someone who will “Complete” you, who will take everything bad about your life away and “Fix” you. The problem is that isn’t actually going to happen. Zorae42 I mean, it is? And honestly, it’s okay to be emotionally immature and experience an existential crisis(es) about your romantic life – it’s part of growing up. It’s not okay to shift those feelings to hatred/resentment of others and to feel that you’re owed a romantic partner. I mean ultimately it’d be preferable to eventually realize that you have self worth outside of having a romantic partner and that you don’t need one to be happy about your life. But hey, some people don’t make it there. Which is fine(-ish*) as long as, again, you keep it your own problem and not something to be angry at other people about. *I say fine-ish because if you don’t realize that then if you do find a relationship it may be a bit unhealthy if you’re dependent on the other person for your feelings of self worth. You can either get taken advantage of or possibly put an unfair amount of pressure on the other person to keep you afloat. Giacomo Bandini What if my father beated me? Will you say to me to keep it my problem and not be angry to other people? I do not think so. Zorae42 Yes I would. I mean, it’d be okay to be mad at/hate him for what he did. And maybe even your Mom for allowing it (although if she’s also afraid for herself then it gets a bit grey). But being angry at other people besides him? There’s not really any excuse. Especially not if you’re so angry to the point of out right hating other people who’ve done nothing to you. I mean you can be angry at the situation you’re in and at the world in general. But once you start taking your anger out on other people that’s not okay. pleasechangemymind An existential crisis isn’t emotional immaturity. Taking it out on others, however, is. Your red pill is showing. Dawn Smashington Your defense of the pain that you assume all men go through seems to include an assumption on your part that this pain is the worst pain anyone could ever go through; how else would an otherwise rational, non violent human being become a killer? Or at the very least, that the experience of your pain being dismissed is part of what drives the urge to kill. In either case, you are wrong. A rational, empathetic human being does not become a killer because of spurned advances or the public dismissing your experience. A person becomes a killer because there is something already deeply wrong with them. You are not defending men in pain, you are defending an imaginary biological right of males to be violent if they do not get a woman. It takes a cold heart to kill. I would consider this before calling those who do not empathize with murderers or their hateful worldviews heartless. Dawn Smashington Consider the reason I stated way up there that I read this comic; that it follows a super powered woman who hasn’t learned yet that force is not the answer to hard problems. Giacomo Bandini No. I do not assume all men goes trought this pain. And i do not assume that is the worst pain possible. And no, i m not defending the right to kill of alienated males. I am saying that every pain deserves respect. No human being deserves to be alone for ten, twenty, thirty years. Dawn Smashington Note the use of your word “deserves”. Do you think everyone deserves to have a partner? In either case, note the assigning of values. Remember that there are those who assign those values other places. Their reality is valid, as is yours; pain is terrible, physical or emotional, and either will leave scars and can cause PTSD and other ills. We recognize the external factors, and then we look within to heal. When faced with this pain in particular, we handle it the same; we go through the process of accepting that pain, as well as joy, are both a part of life, and both are temporary. Whether temporary means a few months, years, or the rest of your life, it is temporary. A fact that we learn is that healing is not anyone else’s job. It is always on us to do the work. pleasechangemymind THANK YOU Zorae42 I agree that no one deserves to be alone. But if you can’t find yourself some family, friends, or even a pet there is something deeply wrong with you. Romantic love isn’t the end all and be all of your life. And you can get all the companionship you need from close friends or even a dang dog. No one ‘deserves’ or even ‘needs’ sex. Giacomo Bandini By your logic, an individual who was abused in chikdhood, and who grows up becoming an abuser himself, does not deserve any sympathy. I disagree. I sympatize with Patrick tragic past, while strongly condemning his crimes. Dawn Smashington You make a choice in the moment of violence. In order to hurt another human being, a certain amount of de-humanizing must occur. You choose to de-humanize, and then you choose to strike. That choice is on your head, and no one else’s. This isn’t just some shit I’m making up to make myself sound like the high road; this is literally the stuff that they teach you when you go to therapy and groups for PTSD. I am an asshole, and I’ve shaven down when I choose to be an asshole. “Brah” on the internet is one of those times. But here, I am trying to impart some wisdom that may help you, and perhaps others, if you find it useful. In the end, we are the ones who “owe” anything to ourselves. We take care of ourselves. We make healthy choices. We recognize “cycling” thoughts, do opposite actions, and generally take a shit ton of time to meditate. I recommend beginning a meditation routine. There are free apps for that; I use Headspace. Change comes from within. Giacomo Bandini Thanks, but Dawn Smashington But you choose to believe otherwise. Dawn Smashington https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxvwlhjZV58 Giacomo Bandini But i no longer need it. Fate has chosen to save me. Why me, from many others, i wonder. Still, i appreciated the thought. Anyway, on the topic, i agree that change comes from the inside, but in this case, i believe that salvation must necessarly comes from the outside. Strangely, it paralels Patrick’s story. No matter hoe much he tried, he could never overcome his need for validation. In the end, he needed Alison.s love to change. Dawn Smashington Note your use of the word “belief”, and reflect upon what that means, on this topic. Dawn Smashington What is it about personal responsibility that is so irrational that you have to resort to listening to a dude that compares humans to lobsters to feel valid? pleasechangemymind …do you realize that you sound like a poorly written supervillain right now? Like, seriously. We can all empathize with pain. No one here is like “not being able to find someone to love is AWESOME, and no one should be sad about it!” But in equating that pain to the violence inflicted by what are essentially incel terrorists (a terrorist being someone who hurts people in order to frighten others into social or political change, which seems to be the driving force of every one of these asshole), you are saying that this violence is a foregone conclusion for ranyone who can’t find a partner. Which is bullshit. There are plenty of men I know who are sad that they can’t find someone, but that doesn’t mean they’re going to shoot anybody. They don’t think they’re *entitlted* to it, nor do they try to punish society/others for it. They’re depressed, yeah. Plenty of people are depressed. THEM, I have sympathy for. The people who drive cars into crowds or shoot up schools? No sympathy. And that does not make me a monster. Giacomo Bandini You are not a monster, i agree. After all, differently from the comnenter i answered, you did not laught at my trauma. Still, i think you are wrong. First, a clarification: i’m not equating the pain of not having a sentimental life to the action of a killer, of a terrorist. No amount of personal pain can justfy this violence. What i m saying is that pain is still pain,regardless of the action of the recipient of that pain. The pain of your friends, my pain, the pain of the terrorist are all.made of the same stuff. The condemnation of crimes should not make us forgot the human nature of the criminal. To put a bit of an extreme example, i m perfectly capable of empathy with some of the guys who got recruited by jihadist terrorist. Weatherheight Over fifty, still single, not self loathing nor do I hate the world. Last serious relationship of a sexual / passionate nature ended in 1994. I’m far better off in terms of mental health now than I was then. I’m not a ticking time bomb. How dare you declare me one. You’re guilty of the crime you decry. Shame. Giacomo Bandini No i m not. The crime is dismissing someone else pain, telling them” to grow up”. I have not done that, and i ll never do. But you re right, i should not generalize like that. I was emotional. Weatherheight Your emotional generalization is itself a dismissal. I stand by my statement. Happyroach Which is why Trappist monks and Buddhist priests are the most insanely violent people around. And of course there’s never been any societies that value celibacy. Seriously? Your theory doesn’t even pass the basic falsification test. Giacomo Bandini Clarification. I m referring to a very specific subset, those who, despite have tried incessantly, to the point of obsession ,for decades, to build up a romance, have Never had meaningful success. Philip Bourque The professor of psychology from the University of Toronto? Holds controversial views? He said a lot of things, were you referring in general or to something specific he said? Giacomo Bandini On some thing, yes, he is. I do not know him very much, just a few videos ehre and now, but some of his point are reasonable. Gotham Yes! For instance, he always insists on how trains must run on time. Weird how that’s a hang-up of the fucking asshole, but who could blame such a policy, really? Ladon I mean, I don’t think he’s totally cured. Just that he’s more honest with himself and isn’t mentally destroying himself anymore. But yeah, it was a pretty weird way to do… anything, really. I mean, if that just works, they could set up a medical practice. Mega mindmelding mental health clinic. Just sign the consent form and Patrick will send Allison’s psyche into your brain where she’ll punch a construct of schitzophrenia with her weird psychic superstrength powers until you’re cured. Not responsible for traumatic revelations of the self that occur as a result. ruhrow Nobody has said that he IS OK, just that he is going to try to build from here. The constructs he’d built are shattered, yes…and now he needs to build new constructs. It’s going to take time, it’s going to take work, and clearly it’s not going to be easy. There are parts of him that want to go back to those constructs (‘rebuild the city’) and he’ll have to work to avoid that if he wants to change. We don’t even know how the other personas are going to clamor as things move forwards. But you know, that’s not so unrealistic. Sometimes people’s mental constructs and coping mechanisms ARE shattered…take trauma as an example. Nobody said that it was easy or pretty, but it’s survivable. An instant cure would have been more along the lines of “she broke the wall and then suddenly a pleasant field grew in and replaced the city and everything was calm and wonderful”. Weatherheight Is it just me that finds it delightfully allegorical that when first we find his other aspect, they are all apparently partially buried? Just me? First full meeting of the Board of Directors in quite some time should be interesting, at the very least. I’m assuming that, since Lord Boy was yet alive and buried even though apparently cut in half, Anima, Menace, and the Librarian are also yet alive and buried even though apparently cut in half. Which frankly I was hoping would be the case, so this may be complete knobbery on my part. Aresius Why cut in half? Boy looks pretty whole to me in the last panel Weatherheight Look at panel three, when first we see him – Lord Boy is either cut in half or buried halfway. Final panel seems to confirm buried halfway in his case. Therefore, we may be able to assume the other aspects, who also appear to be cut in half in that same panel, are also merely buried. Teka the Budgie The way the dirt piles around their bodies makes me think they’re buried. Weatherheight I thought they were all dead at first, but Lord Boy’s survival gives me hope that this might have a more psychologically positive ending, as well. Philip Bourque Spoilers: it isn’t going to be “better”, it’s going to “what works”, just like everyone else. Jshadow I only have 1 response: https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/amzgqYj_700b.jpg zellgato Whelp. hopefully its not a maze of insanity or something. ……..so.. cut to Clevin walking in, finding all 3 of them passed out on the bed. With 1-2 of their nose bleeding and none of them responding.. Can we say Ambulance will be called for a perceived drug overdose.. and something bad will happen on the way or at the hospital when they’re split up David Gillon I thought they’d been subsumedmerged back into the Id, turns out they float. Tsapki You all may be monsters … But you’re my monsters. My responsibility. Jovial Contrarian Next week, on Strong Female Protagonist: Patrick hugs another part of his damaged psyche. In two weeks time: Patrick hugs Feral, Alison hugs Clevin, Feral hugs Alison, Clevin hugs Patrick Next month: H U G S Ragnarok I have no objections to this. David B Huber Humanity Unleashed Gives Strength JP Oh… wow… kudos…. I was hoping the comic would address that Allison destroying Patrick’s mindscape wasn’t exactly morally right… … but this is way more poignant than I expected. Dang. Okay comic, even if the words aren’t outright said, you did make the point pretty ridiculously clear. Brennan, you have my respect for this. I was doubting your storytelling with the earlier “smash the wall, then pleasant forest”, but this… it… whatever words I can say don’t do it justice. Good storytelling. Good job. And you’re making me cry again, dagnabit. David B Huber I want to see Patrick absorb Lord Boy. Then each of the others. Until he gets to Menace, whom he intends to let perish until Alison coaxes him that Menace is a vital part of who he was. Reluctantly, Patrick reaches out to embrace his sordid past – when, without warning, Menace grasps Patrick’s head and unleashes the mind control power! A final scream morphs into a Bellow of triumph as “our” Patrick turns back into Menace, who turns to Alison… “Thank you, my dear. I could never have defeated my other selves without your help.” bryan rasmussen so anyway, Patrick, about the conspiracy? Sorry, it seems all my memories have been burnt away, nice human female that I have attraction for and gratitude towards. David B Huber Gotta admit, I’m wondering what became of all the memories encapsulated in the buildings. Lost? I imagine the Hall of Records is backed up somewhere so the Conspiracy info is… safely in Gurwara’s hands? DaktariD Great. Now “Disco Inferno” is running through my head. And I hate disco. Franklin J Gomes And with “new” he means another city, only this time it will have hookers and blackjack. Weatherheight And better sewers and thicker walls. Aresius And a god damn doorlock xD Ray Radlein Behind them, Donald Glover walks in carrying three boxes of pizza Graham Finch They’re inside a mind. They can just think up a new one. David Nuttall Now that puts a whole other spin on the idea of getting in touch with your inner child. Pol Subanajouy Sorry, all I could think of. https://youtu.be/IeK-yTDHOXs pleasechangemymind So, this is reminding me a lot of therapy when I was at my lowest and most dysfunctional. As I started healing, I started feeling worse. That whole darkest-before-the-dawn thing is not inaccurate by any means, and I had to break down a lot of my unhealthy, dangerous coping mechanisms before I could start rebuilding myself. It sucked. It REALLY sucked. The my-brain-is-on-fire-and-only-one-small-part-of-me-is-functioning-enough-to-keep-me-moving analogy? Yeah. Very much so. I felt completely adrift without all of those coping mechanisms that I’d built up. I felt worse than ever. But I wasn’t actively harming myself, which is kind of the first step, yeah? Anyway, I just wanted to share that. Because this arc really hit me right in the feelings, and this page especially. A++, crying a lot. Zorae42 I hope his hedgemaze of sexual impulses/memories is okay – don’t want those all randomly loose. Although what a place of sexual memories without “component” looks like is beyond me. Maybe that’s why it was stored in a ‘hedge’? Because plants apparently represent a “healthy emotional” mind and so he put his sex stuff in a place with neatly controlled plants to make it the most ‘component-y area’. Which makes me wonder if instead of that place being on fire, if it’s now super overgrown and wild after being exposed to component.