Really excellent analysis. Great job, Zac Caslar.
Seriously, really, really nice.

I’d add that his view of being attacked also seems to vary with perceived motivation. Much likelier to leave you alive if you attacked him for a reason he can understand and respect. Similarly, standing up to him and attacking him can earn his respect in certain situations, although that doesn’t always leave him less inclined to kill you.

It’s interesting to see how they’ve varied all of these attributes with his various “children” (clones) and their clones.

Regarding Wolverine’s missing bastard children: one year, Sabertooth tricked them all into attacking him. They’re now dead because somehow Wolverine forgot to use his superhuman sense of smell to determine that they were related to him until after he’d ginsued them all.

Dakon, who’s evil wasn’t created until after that incident, is Logan’s only living offspring.

Daken’s been killed at least twice, once by Wolverine. He’s back again, though. I suspect he and Laura are the two the writers actually want around, and the rest was just a ham-handed cleaning house.

Well… he scared her and threatened with his claws 🙂 Therefore he had to be punched.

Hmm.

I see a thread there, though, and that’s him taking on things he doesn’t want the others to do.

“Yeah, I kill. You shouldn’t. Yeah I command killers in deniable operations – and you shouldn’t!.”

He gets on his various charges about smoking in the same way. “Yeah I smoke and drink and fart on the mansion’s elevator panels when I’m drunk. Don’t do that kid; only assholes do that.”

Definitely agree that there’s hypocrisy present in wanting to choose for someone else to not take on the burden of things they might agree are necessary, but that’s kinda the borderline been chivalry and chauvinism; that’s being an older brother. Comes with a side of Martyr Complex as well, honestly “-I do it so you don’t have to.”

That’s also a fair bit of being self-destructive and coping with self-loathing; “well I’ve done so much horrible crap what’s one more premeditated murder when I can justify so many already?” Cue smoking, drinking, womanizing, etc and the consequential hypocrisy about why not to do those things.

But there’s also wisdom in that, in, for example, not needing another World War to hash out monarchy and fascism as legitimate forms of government. Or to restart colonialism so that India can go through the same devastating expansion and collapse cycle England did.

Killing in general is a similar quandary with the ultimate question being “can we ever truly not choose violence and survive?” For Logan, for a big brother, the answer is “for now I will do you won’t have to.”

So that happened, right.

Welp, that’s Wolvester being an asshole pretty much for it’s own sake; acknowledged and respected.

And… as I said elsewhere, this is why I’m not a fan of Wolverine.

The Scarlet Witch nearly committed genocide with that “No more mutants” thing, but she’s worthy of forgiveness.
Wolverine has killed more people than influenza, but hes worthy of forgiveness.
Xavier’s dark side nearly murdered the team he created several times over, but he’s not just worthy of forgiveness, everybody calls him the best man they ever knew.
Cyclops killed Xavier in self-defense while possessed by an entity that has been repeatedly proven to go out of control (to the point of consuming an entire star system because it was hungry), and he’s the one that everybody says can never be forgiven.

Hell with all that.

You know, I realized what Cyclops’ whole schtick really is, while watching “Red Versus Blue.” He’s like the character Simmons – a nerd. A total geek. A teacher’s pet who studies hard and takes everything serious and follows all the rules.

…And that’s why I like him so much. That’s what you WANT in a team leader. When you’re about to go into a fight with a bunch of giant robots specifically designed to counter your abilities and then kill or capture you, you want someone who takes it seriously. You want someone who obsesses with getting 100% on every exam, when the test is scored by how many of you come back alive.

Better that than the immortal regenerator who can’t even be bothered to take things seriously enough to get out of the way of bullets…

As opposed to leaving the one very last cookie in the box?! thus relieving you of the duty of bringing the box to the trash and imposing it to the poor soul coming after your treachery, in addition to condemning them to have just the one cookie for sustenance when all rules of ethics agree that a jolly portion of /two/ cookies is the bare minimum to manage a successful snack?

Now that’s evil.

There are questions that are entirely the matter of those eternally unknowable mysteries of personal subjective taste, and then there are these were YOU ARE OBJECTIVELY WRONG

I’m really not sure he does have an even darker secret. He’s nice. But not interesting in any sort of ‘bad boy’ way (which is actually a plus imho if you’re looking for a stable relationship without headaches). Some people are like onions. You peel away the top layer and there’s layers and layers below that. These people are bold, unforgettable, flavorful, although in the end they might make you cry when you peel back enough layers. Clevin is not an onion. Clevin is a cauliflower. You peel back the top layer and there’s a bunch of poofy stuff that’s sorta bland tasting but overall good for you.

Yes. And?

Yes, she’s now defending the honor of your joke by my having responded with a joke of my own apparently. Kidding. She just responded to my post with ‘That was the joke’ – I’m assuming she was trying to be either condescending or acting like I don’t understand that you were making a joke, despite my responding with another joke. Not sure. Not that important. 🙂

Nope. He was responding to me ABOUT you, Gotham.

Well he did ask. But I doubt he does care about what you’re saying – he’s just surprised that you’re still posting things at him when he’s blocked you and you know he’s blocked you. Not a big issue to me. I’m responding to him. He’s responding to me. You’re posting to me and to him in different posts for some sort of reason that seems to have something to do with you thinking that I don’t know when Arkone is or is not making a joke. That’s fine – like I said, you’re wrong since I did know it was a joke, and I responded with another joke. Anything else to say?

“Well yes, if he’s surprised I’m answering him, wouldn’t it follow that him asking would then logically be about it?”

Trying to parse what you said. It’s very oddly written. What’s ‘it’ that you’re referring to? He’s surprised, as per what he said in his post that you could read, that you’re bothering to respond to any of his threads (or to others who post in his thread), when you know he blocked you because of past namecalling from you.

Now I’m not clear if you read his post that you responded to me about.

“Also, you responded with another joke?”

Uh…yes? I responded to a joke with another joke. The ‘Max and Patrick are like onions, Clevin is like a cauliflower’ joke?

Did you read my post that you responded to me about?

“So then why did you answer about something else?”

… because you responded to my post which was in response to his post?

” Oh. I mean, I don’t intend to be rude but you just made a comparison with food analogies. What was the joke?”

It’s right up there in this thread.

Long story short for the joke, since we all know repeating a joke over and over can only make it funnier (/sarcasm intended 🙂 ).

Max and Patrick are deep characters with many layers. Then I described them in a way that had a double meaning for how people have certain physical reactions to onions once you start to prepare it by peeling back the outer layers and cutting to the core of the onion, as well as how people have certain emotional reactions to people once you delve deeper in their behavior and get deeper into the relationship.

Then I compared that to Clevin, who I compared to a cauliflower, because he’s bland and generally uninteresting when it comes to being exciting, just like cauliflower in its natural state is not particularly flavorful on its own, and I made the poofy joke because of Clevin’s hair and the way cauliflower looks, but also that Clevin is someone with whom you can have a healthy, stable relationship despite his blandness, just like cauliflower, the food, is healthy for you despite its blandness.

Now that I’ve broken down the joke I’m sure it’s a lot funnier. That’s sarcasm as well btw, since the joke was just a little bit of clever wordplay to begin with.

“So you confirm that you didn’t answer what he was asking?”

… he wasn’t asking a question.

“The confusion stems for you calling it a joke I think, it’s certainly playful, “clever wordplay” and all but jokes hinge on establishing something that’s not true, in opposition with expectations. Whereas that food analogy is intended as accurate, you could almost say it seriously.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI

That’s from a different post. One post, he was asking what you were writing in response to me, because he can’t see your posts since you are blocked. The other, previous post – the initial one to which I responded to his funny post with another funny post – had no questions being asked at all.

Hopefully this thread is over. It’s over, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

“I’m not sure how, honestly. He might have answered to that but what about your “Yes. And?” would have given him the impression that it was about him, according to you?”

It’s amazing how much you can post over two moderately funny posts havingnothing to do with anything you said. Lets listen to the animated pig, shall we?

Maybe you could wait a minute or so until I write out and properly edit my posts before immediately responding?

Nah.

Nah. Especially since I do the edit within about 30 seconds after I hit enter if I find I didn’t word something correctly. Gnight.

Truth be told I don’t think this thread is all that important to care about that.

Nah. I just respond to you despite this thread with you being very meaningless because I know you like having the last word. I stop responding while I’m going to work or sleep or have better things to do.

Honestly, I really don’t care. Even if you’re telling me I do. You don’t exactly have a good track record on knowing what I’m thinking, even on this thread. Any chance you’ll stop posting on this thread soon?

I’m so elated that you said bye that I’m going to ignore how that sentence does not make any sense.

Hrm.

The word ‘bye’ must have a different meaning for you than the rest of humanity.

Adding this quote of your post so that Arkone can enjoy your post.
“I won’t leave you in the dark when you need to be explained things, come on.”

I think I can manage. If I ever really need to understand what you’re saying in your post, I’m sure I can bang my skull against a wall until blunt head trauma occurs. Or perhaps I’ll get drunk and that will help. Don’t you worry about me now. 🙂 I’ll somehow persevere without you explaining things that you say in your unique way.

Be true to your ‘bye.’

I’d love for you to stop talking to me 🙂

You have this really weird habit of making huge threads over literally nothing, including nothing even remotely based on the original posts in the thread or anything said by anyone in the thread. Usually for days on end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6P2VK-Qao

The best part? She thinks we’re the same person. That means that even if she’s right then the one person we’re both supposed to be is a comedian far beyond her abilities to even heckle, let alone compete with. Two accounts carrying on an impromptu vaudeville act.

Anyway, back to the routine:

I LIKE cauliflower. You just have to cook it right. You can cook it up with ground almonds and garlic for an exquisite side dish, or batter dip and fry it like tempura… you can mulch it up into dough to make breads and pastries with fewer carbs and a lot of calcium and other nutrients…

People tend to forget that wholesome is not necessarily less tasty than naughty temptation. Especially when the wholesome comes without the painful regrets that come after you give in to the temptation…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_5Pz1Id_MU

I don’t believe that you’re the same person though? It’s some compelling amount of self-fellating going on for someone who didn’t get that I was playing a part, somewhat of a core tenet of comedy. For instance: this isn’t actually my headcanon. It’s a joke. Or, I don’t actually think death is better than a concussion. It’s a joke.

True. Going back to the basis of the metaphor… Clevin’s problem is that he’s all cauliflower and none of the fixings that make it memorable and delicious.

Look at characters like Steve Rogers. Captain America is a sweet and kind and good natured boy scout… who also can kick all kinds of ass, and (though they haven’t quite shown it in the MCU yet) is an artist in his spare time. Or Naruto Uzamaki, whose goofball antics and insatiable love of ramen are a veneer over his devotion to his friends and readiness to die to protect others (as opposed to the whiney selfish Sasaske, who runs away after their sensei patiently informs Sasaske that not even his pain and angst are unique: “I lost everyone I loved too, before you were even born. I moved on and found new loved ones, because that’s what mature people do.”) Or… Superman, especially when he’s done right.

Clevin… he’s a boring nice guy. There’s nothing beyond that. No personal ambitions, no goals for himself, nothing beyond “I do everything for everyone else because I’m a completely selfless person.” He’s sweet, and he deserves better than to be the rebound guy, but… he really does need to grow a backbone and start learning that you can be assertive without being aggressive.

Your comment played as if you didn’t get that “Clevin has a dark secret” was the joke, since you answered to give your opinion on the matter which seemed out of place since it was not questioned because it was the joke

…….that was also the joke

Do you want me to explain it?

I concur.

1) It’s an analogy about food and people having layers. Way to analyze the analogy.

2) Have you ever had a cauliflower? There’s not something different inside. It’s just more of the same cauliflower. But there’s no layers to it. It’s just consistently bland flavorless vegetable bud all the way down, except for the part which is inedible. It doesn’t turn into something different. Cauliflower only has flavor from when you add something to it. It’s a good base for other more flavorful, interesting ingredients to make it worth bothering to eat. It’s another analogy. Cauliflower is boring and just has an interesting taste if something interesting is mixed into it. Onion already has a taste, and cutting down the layers actually makes the flavor more pronounced.

ie…. Max and Patrick are interesting but pungent and may make you cry while making it palatable. Clevin is bland but very healthy for you to eat.

If you want more food analogies, Max and Patrick are 100 Grand bars and Twix bars, Clevin is a plain rice cake.