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Have we heard that name somewhere before in this medium? Bo Lindbergh I don’t remember, but the punchline is definitely going to be that she’s Sapphic. Kid Chaos It’s the infamous “Noodle Incident“! 😎 Lisa Izo I would rather not hear too much about Brad’s noodle, you lecherous guttersnipe. Kid Chaos How dare you call me a guttersnipe? I’ve never sniped a gutter in my life! 👺 Lisa Izo You pontiferous scallywag! 🙂 Kid Chaos “Pontiferous”? Of course you know this means war! 😈 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjIZwv5aENQ Todd At least she didn’t call you a smellsmock jackanapes . . . . (hat-tip to Gary Gygax) AdamBombTV Huh, maybe nothing terrible is going to happen tonight and everyone is having a wonderful time… OH DEAR GOD, I’M LETTING MY GUARD DOWN!! scottfree Cue people showing up to complain that “Of course they cared more about the video game save file than they did other people! Allison was mean to a mean person, so she’s JUST AS BAD!” Rugains Fleuridor I think it’s time to realize that conflict doesn’t always have to abruptly interrupt down time. Trouble is still out there, but it doesn’t all come in at once. Timothy McLean Things should be fine until lunch. …I may have read too much Worm. Irrevenant Is it actually possible to read too much Worm? Lostman Video Game are always fun with friends, no matter who they are! Abel Undercity Let the sullying commence! Dean Jeez Hector, just keep your saves in the cloud. Dave M If we’re talking about Crash Bandicoot & memory cards, we’re probably a few years too early for a cloud based solution (or even a playstation memory card to usb adapter). Still, not having a backup memory card in a safe location is rather poor data security. Incendax Lecherous Guttersnipes! That’s all I’m putting in this message. The phrase is that awesome. Strawman Lisa manages to be a differently abled black lesbian woman and still the most inconsiderate ally ever. Thewizardguy How so? She’s trying to help. Strawman Trying to help is not an excuse for a “let me tell you how you should feel about your personal issues” attitude. Dave M I read that as her approaching the issue scientifically and trying to make sure the issue was a “don’t” rather than a “can’t”. “Don’t” is a personal preference to be respected, “Can’t” is an issue to solve. Strawman The way I see it, it’s her pressing the issue for her own reasons (“them eyes again”) when Amanda called it “emotionally draining” just then. When even Feral herself tells you to let go… bta Seeing how the real world’s “internet rationalist” community reacts to social justice issues, I’m wary of anyone saying they’re just “approaching the issue scientifically”. It’s way too often an excuse to ignore other people’s lived experience, or what the social sciences have to say about complex problems. And that’s not even counting the cases where it’s all about embracing “scientific” racism and IQ fetishism. Mechwarrior Given that Lisa is an African-American lesbian, I somehow doubt she embraces scientific racisim, IQ fetishism, or any of the other things that the so-called rationalist community uses to justify discriminating against people of her race, gender, and orientation. What she does have is a bit of a problem fixation issue that prevents her from seeing that her intervention, no matter how well intended, might not actually be wanted once she gets excited by a technical challenge to overcome. tygertyger Being Black or gay offers no immunity to scientific racism (though it might affect target selection), and I know plenty of PoC who are IQ fetishists. I know just as many who are socioeconomic elitists. People who are members of oppressed minorities can still have their own bigotries. Mechwarrior They can, and there are a few examples I can even name, but it’s decidedly rarer among minorities than it is among cisgender white heterosexuals. Lisa Izo What’s ‘scientific racism?’ Mechwarrior Pseudo-scientific bullshit that allegedly “proves” the superiority of white people. It is to ordinary racism what Intelligent Design is to Creationism: the exact same thing with a light dusting of scientific terminology in an attempt to make it sound more credible. Lisa Izo That’s seriously the first time I’ve ever heard the term ‘scientific racism’ being used. I’m guessing you mean something like false, narrative/propaganda-based nazi science type of stuff under Mengele during WW2. I haven’t heard anything like that in recent history. Mechwarrior Depends on what groups you associate with, I guess. Lisa Izo I guess that it’s good that I dont associate with scientific racists? 🙂 Mechwarrior It’s always good to not associate with such people, but the term is generally one used by people who don’t like them to point out that their views are, in fact, based on racism. M. Alan Thomas II In modern usage, “scientific racism” is stuff like The Bell Curve (1994) where you get people arguing that differences in racial averages on IQ tests = differences in average intelligence, with the unspoken implication of racial superiority. That line of thinking is continued in Race, Evolution, and Behavior (1995), the two g Factor books (1996 & 1998), IQ and the Wealth of Nations (2002), and so on and so forth down the line. You run into it when you get people who want to find a measurable basis for their preconceived notions and are willing to rely on overly broad measures that ignore a million complicating factors except when those factors are needed to explain away outliers that don’t fit the pattern they want. It’s been bashed around a bit, so it’s no longer as easy to get published by a reputable scientific publisher as it was a decade or two ago, but I’d say that it’s part of how we got from the overt skinheads to the carefully-packaged “alt-right.” Lisa Izo Ahh Strawman It’s an odd conclusion to assume something doesn’t exist because you haven’t come into contact with it. Update your sources? Lisa Izo What an argumentative strawman you are. I didnt say it doesnt exist. I said I havent ever heard of that term used in recent history. tygertyger Pushy as Lisa is being, I must agree. Lisa Izo I don’t think she’s being pushy really. She just doesnt want Amanda to give up JUST because she’s surrendering to the harshness of reality. She only wants Amanda to have whatever makes her happy, which can be different than ‘what makes me not as miserable.’ Arkone Axon All she’s saying here is, “If you really WANT to be naked, that’s your choice. But if you’re declaring that you’re content with nudity because you don’t think you can ever wear clothing… I can give you more options. I can let you have what you REALLY want, not just what you’re settling for.” That’s not pushy, that’s Lisa being awesome! Kid Chaos She’s an engineer, trying to solve a problem as an engineer. Given enough time, I’m sure she could come up with something that’s both nigh-indestructible and reasonably comfortable (SEE AGAIN: Cleaver’s special shorts). But when your potential customer tells you to drop it, you should probably just drop it. 😜 Weatherheight Never offer up a problem to an engineer without being clear that you’re just venting – you will get options on how to solve it. They just want to help. Eric Meyer The way I see it, is she’s been hooked by the challenge of making a material that can be tailored, looks good, and won’t be shredded by… Abby?’s… scales. She’s not focusing on the emotional, ‘You’re naked!’ side of things, she’s focused on the “Your scales shred clothes? I’d bet I could make clothes that your scales can’t shred!” side of things. The awkward social pressuring is just her trying to get the go-ahead to experiment with that stuff. Weatherheight It is this, but it’s also giving an example of a “Let me help you even though your explanation is just an explanation and not a request for help” situation that most of us have to deal with from time to time. One of the things I love about this comic is that it does a good job of showing both sides of a gesture / interaction in a way that stimulates discussion. BruceGee1962 I believe this is just a little thing called “character development.” How about we not have a comic where every character approaches every problem in exactly the same way, hmmkay? People can disagree over an issue, and even be wrong occasionally, without being terrible people. Indeed, that may be one of the main points of this comic. motorfirebox I read her as explicitly not doing that. Nell Wilson I mean we know from the group therapy scenes that Amanda(?) is super uncomfortable with her body. So it reads more like ‘let me help you feel awesome about your body’ and not ‘you should feel terrible about your body as it is until I fix it’ to me at least. As someone covered in scales who also finds it impossible to find anything to wear and finds the whole process super uncomfortable, I know I’d appreciate that kind of desire to help. Loranna You might; Amanda might not – for as simple a reason as she doesn’t want to discuss the matter at this time, at this place. Lisa’s a sweetheart, but judging by her gift to Feral, she might come up with a perfectly serviceable super-dress, show it to Amanda, then nitpick the thing to pieces as the poor girl’s trying it on and whisk it off, saying something to the effect of “Sorry, sorry! Not perfect! Be back later!” As someone who nitpicks her own work to pieces before she’s even finished it, I can imagine Amanda wouldn’t want to go through that rigamarole. 🙂 Loranna M. Alan Thomas II It reads pretty clear to me that Amanda is unhappy with status quo but has found it to be too much emotional labor to implement a fix. I think Lisa is looking to see if someone with her skills could shoulder most of that burden so that Amanda can get what she wants without the usual emotional cost. Yes, Lisa has other motivations as well, and she tends to get fixated on things. Nobody’s perfect. But I do think she’s right to say “You shouldn’t have to accept a situation you don’t like. If you can’t fix it yourself, we should help each other out.” Strawman I mean, it’s basically impossible to explain to cishet white men than even the “most willing to help” are not welcome at our LGBTQ meetings, so I give up on this conversation. M. Alan Thomas II Ah, okay, I see the parallel there now; I’m sorry I missed what you were getting at earlier. It’s an interesting point. Strawman I may have been harsher than I intended. This endless capacity to find new ways to justify one’s insistance, no matter how well-intentioned and oblivious, is something I have to deal with a lot. But then again, Amanda has not made it clearly known she was definitely not interested in getting outside help. The combination of her saying the subject is emotionally draining and Lisa clearly after her own fixations just seem unmistakle to me. Tylikcat “Here is this problem let me fix it…” can be exhausting. I run into this most around injury and illness. Not so much around my own – with the kind of academic and research and martial arts background I have, people don’t tend to do the well intentioned but clueless “Well, if you just try this -” more than once. (I developed those skills to deal with physicians who lacked appropriated communications skills. Randos are barely worth my notice.) You only have so much time, and so much energy. And with a lot of things, they end up carrying a lot of weight. I mean, if Amanda has traumatic memories of her mother repeatedly trying to put her in pretty dresses that kept tearing off of her… maybe she just doesn’t want to revisit the issue. Or maybe she doesn’t want to revist the issue when her life is full and she has a lot of other things on her plate, because she’s afraid she’s going to lose a lot of sleep over it at a time she can’t afford to. Life’s like that. Timothy McLean I’m confused, isn’t “lesbian woman” redundant? I was under the impression that lesbianism had female-ness as a requirement. Unless female-to-male trans people who like women are still considered lesbians? I’ve never understood how sexuality terminology applied to trans people… Strawman I find it disparaging to use “lesbian” as a noun. Lisa Izo But…. wait… uh… lesbian IS a noun. I’m wondering if your posts might just be joke posts. As in… anyone disagreeing with what you say are arguing with a strawman. hehe… I just realized that:) Strawman I personally find that “The lesbian…”, “She’s a lesbian” and the like carry even involuntarily demeaning assumptions that tend to reduce a human being to their “fringe” (in the eyes of the speaker) sexual behavior. But more importantly, the fact of the existence of a word as literally nothing to do with its effects. Ever heard of slurs? Lisa Izo But the word “lesbian” IS A NOUN. The fact that you put “the” or “a” before the word should clue you in that its not disparaging to use it as a noun. Thats how nouns work. Nouns are words used to identify any class of people, places, or things (ie, a common noun). I am noy sure how the word lesbian can be used any way other than as a noun in a sentence. Why am I having to explain what a noun is? Why is this an argument? This is a very weird argument to have. Not to mention its self descriptive by women who are sexually attracted to other women only, not demeaning or a slur. What do you think the L in LGBTQ+ stands for? Heck you said LGBTQ in another post. Are you being disparaging? Or just descriptive? Doesnt Q stand for queer? Wasnt THAT traditionally a slur? Why is that getting a pass from you but you’re getting bent out of shape from the word lesbian? Strawman I’m getting really confused by you. Either you’re worryingly oblivious or you’re offensively trolling. Do you honestly not know that lesbian can be used as an adjective? Lisa Izo No …not a troll or oblivious. Lesbian as an adjective means “referring to homosexuality in women.” Never said it wasnt also an adjective. But it is primarily used as a noun…. non offensively. It is not slang. No idea how that is more or less offensive than saying so and so is a lesbian when its being used as a descriptor. Also not sure why you are getting so offended or argumentstive really. It’s a very meaningless argument to get so worked up over. Strawman A quick look at your other comments informed me that you, indeed, were not a troll. Lisa Izo Thanks. Sorry if you thought I was. Strawman You are so welcome. Arkone Axon A brief disagreement resolved in a peaceful and courteous fashion! Upvotes for all! Strawman Well. Seems you, too, are not a troll then. Interesting waters these comments sections are. Lisa Izo It’s almost as if we are mature and rational adults having a discussion. On the internet. Its the ladt oart that is jarring nowadays 🙂 Todd Um, pardon me for possibly butting in (and if it looks like I’m acting like a male-gendered white knight), but it might be helpful if attention were to be drawn to what bta said above about the “internet rationalist community” . . . ? Lisa Izo But lesbian isnt an offensive word as a description like it was being used here, whether being used as an adjective or as a noun. Seems extremely oversensitive and nonsensical for a person to take offense at a word which is part of that community’s own descriptor (ie, LGBT+). If I were gay, I dont see why I wouldnt just say I was a lesbian if I was doing a survey or something. Or a lesbian woman if we are going to go the adjective route instead for whatever reason. It really isnt worth the argument that this is becoming. Todd (Please correct me if I’m wrong, Strawman.) From what I could see, Strawman wrote this: “I personally find . . . .” “I find it . . . .” Which sure look like hints that his/her feelings on the matter are pretty subjective ie s/he recognizes that others might not have the same feelings on the matter as s/he does, but that doesn’t change his/her personal feelings about the point in question. I’m a role-playing gamer, and I hear a lot of other such people refer to themselves and each other as “geeks” or “nerds” with no qualms whatsoever. They’re not terms I like to use to describe myself, I don’t use them to describe other gamers, and I can get a bit touchy when people try to associate me with them (this past CanGames, I refused a prize which associated me and gamers with the word “geek”; the other players and the prize-donor looked somewhat mystified by my polite but adamant public refusal of the prize, but they accepted it and moved on). Whether or not you think Strawman was being overly sensitive isn’t the point; s/he apparently felt that way, and it behooves someone trying to be at least civil to respect that. You don’t understand? OK, fine, but, for the time being, just accept the fact and move on until, maybe, you do understand. Rando I find your usage of the word “the” offensive. It is reductive towards the other determiner’s. People are clearly free to be offended by whatever suits them. However there is absolutely zero reason to bring up in conversation, that you personally find some term or phrase offensive, when the general usage of it is not intended as such. It has no bearing on the topic, and has no impact than to try to silence an opposing viewpoint by claiming to be the victim. That was literally their entire comment. “I find this word you used offensive.” They are just trolling. Zorae42 Except in this context it’s reasonable to bring it up. Strawman made a post using the word lesbian as an adjective to the word woman, someone asked why they used it that way (instead of only using the noun), and Strawman replied that they personally found it offensive to use it that way. They weren’t bringing it up to silence anyone, they were just explaining their wording. Lisa Izo Just to be clear (I wasnt the OP on this btw), I brought it up because the idea of a common noun with no history as slang or as a slur struck me as odd, not because lesbian cannot also be used as an adjective. Since it can be used as an adjective… its just a less common use of that word. Just like redhead is (in opposite fashion) more used as an adjective than as a noun. But saying redhead isnt the same as saying ginger. Zorae42 I’m not criticizing your desire to understand why it bothered them, that’s reasonable. The only person I’m criticizing is Rando for taking the situation out of context. And painting Strawman as being unreasonable for giving their feelings about something when asked. Although I also understand why Strawman doesn’t like to use Lesbian as a noun. I think the best comparison (that surprisingly no one has brought up), would be ‘Autistic’ which can also function as an adjective or a noun and isn’t a slur/slang. There’s been some debate about whether “Identity-First language” or “Person-First language” is preferred – i.e. “Autistic Person” vs “Person with Autism”. And it honestly depends on the person. Some don’t like being defined by their condition, and others feel like it’s an integral part of them and don’t like the idea of demeaning/hiding who they are. So I can totally understand why Strawman might feel that calling someone a Lesbian reduces them to their sexual orientation and their status as a minority rather than the individual they are. But it is also reasonable for a person to take pride in their identity as a Lesbian and have no issues being referred to like that. Strawman I can’t upvote as a guest, so here’s my verbal approval. I do totally understand the argument that supports the opinion opposite to mine and neither have nor will question how people choose to identify themselves. I wish I was granted the same courtesy. Rando Except that the majority of their posts are calling people trolls for disagreeing with him or insinuating they are terrible people. I would be more open to interpretation were their name not “Strawman”. Strawman That was literally their entire comment. “I find this word you used offensive.” They are just trolling. It was in fact not the appropriate paraphrase of my response considering the person I was responding to wasn’t even using the word in question. Since you seem to not have read the conversation and apparently instinctively went on the offensive so much so that you have found nothing to answer me when I brought up the flaws in your attacks and now say that the problem lied all along in my fucking handle in an astonishing display of backpedaling, I would say it is safe to assume I do not respect your arguments very much. Todd Do you think it’s possible for someone else’s lived experience to be different from yours to such a degree that the person could actually be negatively affected (and want you to know it) by something you have absolutely no problem with? Or are all such assertions axiomatically attempts at malicious manipulation? Rando Like I said, they are free to be offended by whatever suits them. It also has no bearing on what that word actually means or how anyone should use it. You could have had someone screaming “Redhead!” at you, while beating you mercilessly. I would be truly sorry that happened to you, but I am not going to stop using “Redhead” as an adjective to describe a person with red hair just because it bothers you personally. It is something you need to deal with and overcome, not expect the world to change around you, to protect your feelings. In this very specific example, as already mentioned. “Lesbian” is used by that very group, as a noun, to describe themselves. So yes, any attempts to bring it up in conversation with random people you do not know, is malicious manipulation. Todd OK, then. Strawman I brought it up because someone asked me about it. About how *I* chose to *personally* use words. It’s a funny thing how offended by my words and eager to bring it up unwarranted you are, though. It’s almost like you’re trying to silence the opposite viewpoint by claiming to be the whiny, whiny victim of PC police. If’s as if the entire sum of offended people online actually are the ones who don’t read comments and cry about those damn SJW extremists, but not them, theirs are righteous tantrums, they are the last to hold the line defending free speech! Lisa Izo Terms like “geek” and “nerd” are originally, and for most of those words’ histories, meant as insults though, even if they are insults which the recipients and culture have since “owned” to turn them into something chic. Like “queer” when used by gay people (i still dont get that personally and wouldnt use the word as a descriptor, but I am not gay so if they want to own the negative slang so it had no power to hurt them, more power to them I guess?) My main confusion was that lesbian has NEVER been a word meant to be derisive or slang. It’s just descriptive, like calling someone a lawyer if they are a lawyer, or calling someone a foodie if they appreciate different foods or a redhead if they have red hair. Also I think I have been civil. And the discussion was concluded civilly. Civil doesnt mean not questioning someone else. its the difference between lawyers arguing in a court of law or opponents in a debate, vs two guys in a bar fight over which football team will win or something. I also did make jokes about strawman’s name because the name is clearly meant to be taken as a joke or pun (strawman argument) so it’s not clear if he (I am going to assume he since its strawMAN unless corrected, not that being male or female matters at all for the thread and Most people assumes I was a man when I was just going by “Izo”) was making a joke or not by making an argument based on sonething that I found to be oversensitive or strange (since strawman arguments mean the strawman is an intentionally ridiculous argument or scenario). Strawman For the record, you are consistently rude. “I’m going to assume he since it’s Strawman unless corrected” encapsulates it very well (instead of, I don’t know, not assuming things you have no business over) You barged in, not out of curiosity, but to question the legitimacy of my personal preferences and tell me they were wrong and when your cluelessness couldn’t be helped despite my efforts you insulted my intelligence (“why are we even having this conversation”) alongside accusing me of trolling on no grounds. I would really like you to never address me again on this platform if that’s the extent of the interactions we’re going to have. Or maybe I’ll just leave, I spent years loving this webcomic and the day I begin to try to participate in the community two people tell me I have to like “lesbian” as a noun. This is really disappointing. Lysiuj For what it’s worth, my advice is to just block them both and move on from it. Don’t let them bring your commenting experience down. It’s not worth it. Strawman I mean, this masterpiece of a comment –where I’m patronized to as an idiot who needs to be told what nouns are while @lisa_izo:disqus misses the point so much I was seriously thinking it was some sort of hazing ritual– it has been upvoted by the webcomic’s author. I really don’t know what to think. leoboiko Tara and Lisa best couple! …They BETTER not break up/die on the other. I don’t care if the entire world burns in a postapocalyptic dystopia, I want them surviving together as Mad Max leathery lovebirds, or at least dying together heroically in a final glorious act of love. KatherineMW It’s a social justice comic. They’re a lesbian couple, so now nothing bad is allowed to happen to either of them because that would be discrimination. Strawman No, no. It wouldn’t be discrimination. It would be overdone. Timothy McLean Also relevant: https://www.thefandomentals.com/open-letter-steven-moffat/ Irrevenant I think you just spoilered me. -_- I looked away as soon as I saw the topic, so hopefully not. Spoiler warnings please when taking about recent stuff. EDIT: Although in this case even mentioning what the article is about might be a spoiler, so idk. Maybe recent examples are best avoided altogether in the context. JeffH Right. Like how nothing bad happened to Willow and Tara on Buffy. Oh. Wait… Lisa Izo To be fair, bad stuff happened to every single relationship on that show, whether homosexual or heterosexual. Or to people in no relationship. Zorae42 Agreed. Also, the storyline that happened after was 100% about Willow and her grief and furthered her magic use arc; not about making a straight character grow or just for the shock value. And, in the next season they gave her a new lesbian love interest (who didn’t die!). Granted, she wasn’t as amazing as Tara. But since Tara was basically the best character, so that’s pretty hard to measure up to. The Improbable Man “Wasn’t as amazing as Tara” is an understatement, in my opinion. Buffy the Vampire slayer is my second favorite TV show in history (the first being the JL/JLU animated series), and Tara was my favorite character (I started watching in season 6, where she was the most stable and mature person on the show). Kennedy was awful. Kennedy was the exact opposite of Tara, and was basically a frat guy in a woman’s body. I was so angry that Willow wound up with her after two positive (yes, there were big ups and downs, but the people were good for her) relationships with good, caring people that loved her for who she was as a person, not just because she was “hot”. I wish Amber Benson had been available (I think she turned it down because of the overall season arc) for Season 7, because not only would the season have been better for it because of the emotional impact of who she would have been playing, but Joss’ plan was to have Buffy wish her back at the end of Season 7 (granted, that’s really a bizarre thing for Buffy to do after the arc of season 6, but I just want Tara back :P). Lisa Izo Still made no sense to me why Willow couldnt resurrect her just because she died from a bullet instead of something supernatural in origin. The Improbable Man As I recall, it was firmly established in the first few episodes of Season 6 that the only reason she could resurrect Buffy was that she had a “magical” death. You can read about it here: http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection That being said, I’m sure that restriction was explicitly put in there to prevent Willow from just resurrecting Tara (or Joyce or Jenny Calendar, for that matter). Lisa Izo Yeah. But I still didnt think it made sense. I will check out the link later. Thanks. Btw, Didnt Jenny die via Angelus though? Evil vampire doesnt seem consistent with the restriction against non supernatural causes of death. Zorae42 Well by the time Willow was strong enough to bring Jenny back, Jenny had been dead for quite a long time. Given that Jenny was a good person and the canon existence of some sort of good afterlife, it probably would be a bad idea to tear her out of wherever she was. The Improbable Man Angelus snapped her neck, which seems like it wouldn’t be a magical death to me, but really, we’re talking about degrees of gray areas when it comes to “magical death”: 1) A normal being with no magical abilities killing a person via normal means (e.g. Warren shooting Tara. Warren is a robotics guy, not a magic user). Clearly not a magical death 2) A being with magical abilities killing a person in a normal way (e.g. snapping their neck, killing them with a sword or gun) ? 3) A normal being using a magic weapon to kill a person in a normal way (e.g. someone like Xander killing someone like Warren with a magic sword in a way that a normal sword would also have killed him) ? 4) A being with magical abilities killing a person in a way that is associated with their abilities, but still could be done by a normal person (e.g. a Vampire bite– a normal human could theoretically tear into a person’s jugular with their teeth and drink their blood as they bled out and died) ? 5) A being with magical abilities killing a person with a magical ability that simulates a normal death (e.g. Willow telekinetically spearing someone with a tree branch) ? 6) A being with magical abilities using a magical ability that kills them, magically (e.g. a “death spell”): clearly a magical death I can see arguments for any of the ? marked deaths to go either way. Some make more sense to me than others, and you and I might disagree on some. Azmodan 2-5 could be seen as a bending of the natural order to cause the death to happen before their time, allowing magic to reverse it. Even something mundane like a Vampire stabbing someone to death with a knife could be reverse-able due to the Vampire being an abomination that the universe doesn’t want in it. Basically the universe going, “Yeah, I actually wasn’t done with that person, I don’t account for vampires. So you can bring them back.” Or even the entity that caused the kill causing a distortion of reality around any event they are involved with, essentially causing the actual death to have been “missed”. Basically magic spell is going, “Uh hey, this person didn’t actually die, you should bring them back to life. Clerical error yo.” Then the universe goes, “That’s weird, there is a blank spot in my records and then they were gone, yep bring em back!” Lisa Izo Willow did make for a pretty interesting Big Bad, which only happened because of what Warren did. She was already, pre-Tara’s death, probably the heaviest hitter since she was the only one capable of doing actual damage to Glory. My favorite character was Anya (who also dies – boo) but Tara was a good character also. The slayer potential girlfriend whos name I forget could have been good too but seemed a lot more generic. Again, to be fair, the show had more seasons and episodes with Tara to flesh her character out. Zorae42 Oh, Anya is probably my favorite too (with Tara and Giles tied in a close second) – I meant best person when referring to Tara. JeffH I hadn’t thought of it that way, but you are definitely right! I feel like Buffy did a better job than GoT about “horrific things always immediately follow good feelings,” though. As some folks here have pointed out, GoT (and, to be fair, a bunch of other shows) has us immediately anticipating something terrible happening as soon as two characters on the screen smile at the same time. I think that the “Here it comes…” feeling actually reduces the shock value now that we are conditioned to expect that horrific thing. I’m enjoying that SFP is willing to stretch out the good feelings when they occur, and I think it builds a different kind of suspense. (Emma Bull is an author who does this amazingly, in my opinion. She’s as willing to kill any character as George RR, but sometimes main characters make it through, so the suspense is so much higher.) Jack Lostthenames Warren wow sounds like something a lecherous guttersnipe might say HanoverFist Can we all take a moment to appreciate Brad? Dude has a bat head and he’s still the suavest guy in the comic. Timothy McLean Such eloquent snark! Christian H I’m not seeing how “has a bat head” and “suavest guy in the comic” are opposed. They seem directly related. Arkone Axon Of course. Think about what bats are known for – sonar. That’s his superpower too, isn’t it? Brad knows how to LISTEN… Lysiuj I promise I won’t write you a recommendation! Anna Fun Twist: Gurwara IS the psychic ice spider, and his evil plan is to OVERWRITE HECTOR’S VIDEOGAME FILE!!1!! Guys I seriously am out of ideas send help Weatherheight Kinda like this one too – Arjun the Psychic Ice-Spider! Falls trippingly, doesn’t it? tygertyger It does, but I suspect that the “psychic ice spider” might be someone we met much earlier. Lisa Izo He is a duck. We have already settled this beyond all doubt. Arkone Axon Oh, wow… what if that were ACTUALLY THE CASE? What if he’s a shapeshifter, and those birds in the park… what if he were actually one of them? “You don’t get it, do you? I’m not a man who can turn into other forms. I’m a bird who can turn into other forms.” “But… why?” “To get you people to knock it off with the damned pate fois gras! That’s just SADISTIC, humans!” zarawesome But Amanda, tell us what you want, what you really really want. Weatherheight Spicy! elizabethbells I can’t upvote this enough! Zerilan So much nothing continuing to happen. palmvos but is such interesting nothing. it appears that Elwood Blue has struck again and that shoe is stuck. Weatherheight Amanda: “No really, I just…” Lisa: “CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!! Tara. “Babe…” palmvos hmm clothing that is very resistant to abrasion… its a little late. but Alison could use that i’m sure. the applications are endless. go Lisa! just make sure it can be cleaned with regular materials. Timothy McLean “Look, those super-clothes you gave me are great and all, but they’re starting to smell and I can’t get these stains out no matter how many times I wash them.” Dean “Oh, you need to clean them in a particle accelerator. Didn’t I put that in the instructions?” palmvos The above is why I suggested ez-care be added to the specs. now i don’t have the incredibles anymore… did Edna Mode make any comments about cleaning her creations. she did she did. her suits are machine washable … and capable of withstanding 1000 degrees. so clearly you punters need to go back to school and let the professionals do their thing. Hiram No, Brad you’re delivering that last line all wrong. You have to flap your cape (jacket) and do a half turn while you say it in a Transylvanian accent. Timothy McLean Just because he has bat fangs doesn’t make him a vampire, Hiram. Lisa Izo There are so many jokes I can say about types of bats here that would be inappropriate… but I wont Dave M Will Lisa Izo find an appropriate bat joke? Tune in next time, same bat time, same bat channel! Lisa Izo Found a more appropriate bat joke 🙂 Azmodan I dunno. Fancy talk, turned into a bat, has fangs, wearing his coat like a cape. Better cut off his head and bury it under a river to be safe. Lisa Izo #notallvampirebats tygertyger Hah! “Lecherous guttersnipes” — that’s how you do insults! JohnTomato “Psychic Ice Spider” is the name of my David Bowie cover band. Dave M And my thrashy pseudo punk band shall be named “The Lecherous Guttersnipes”. 🙂 Azmodan “Reality works for us, not the other way around.” What is, “Things a super villain says?” Timothy McLean Or anyone more interested in promoting the human condition than preserving the status quo. Strawman Also known as Almost All Supervillains. Lisa Izo Or known as the history of human civilization and what separates human methods of adapting to harsh environments with… almost every other animal’s method of adapting to harsh environments. Although you could go the Agent Smith from the Matrix route then about his “humans are a virus” speech then… Timothy McLean Not really. Most want personal power of some kind above all else, and there are a fair few who want to preserve some form of status quo. Azmodan Sure, it always starts with good intentions. Then suddenly it’s, “I really don’t feel like blue today. Lets change the sky to a nice pink.” or “Society would be better off if I just implanted this chip in everyone, that let me control their every thought.” Giacomo Bandini http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainsActHeroesReact Giacomo Bandini That’s like the whole point of the comic. Villians try to change the world, while the traditional heroes save it, but can change. Can a Hero be able to defy this trope, without becoming a villian himself? Azmodan Well, Al already fell, and super geniuses are always the most likely to turn. Lisa Izo To quote Harvey Dent, “You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA Giacomo Bandini well, i miss the part where she plots about taking over the world… but maybe i’m non the most attentive reader. Timothy McLean Putting aside how ludicrous the examples are…are you really suggesting that we shouldn’t try to improve the human condition, because someone might get a terrible idea and might be able to act on it? Because that can still happen when preserving the status quo. Azmodan Of course not. Are you suggesting we eat babies? Because that has as much connection with what you said, as to what my comment has with what you said. I said saying “Reality works for us” is what leads people to doing horrible things with science. “I don’t like gravity, I’m going to remove it.” Danygalw “Hubris isn’t something that destroys you. It’s something you’re punished for.” Arkone Axon She’s not a supervillain because she isn’t doing evil things. She’s the brilliant genius inventor that all the superheroes turn to for the world saving technology. Now, if she were to start kidnapping people to use in procedures without their consent, or otherwise forcing her vision of a better world on everyone else, that’d be another story. But she’s emphasizing that Amanda can opt out if she really wants. (Also, I LOVE the way Feral’s purring with possessive pride, “Babe, you getting them eyes again…” Yeah, kitty has already pounced… ^.^ ) Azmodan She isn’t doing evil things…* *Yet. *That we have seen. *Just morally grey. She is friends with Al, it’s only a matter of time! Lisa Izo Or… she could point out what Al did was villainous like Menace, if she ever finds out. Lisa Izo Summary: First panel. Alison shows she also has the superpower of nepotism. Otherwise recommendations from your sister normally don’t carry much weight. Second panel. Lisa shows why she’s the most common sense thinking person in the room every time. Third panel. Pintsize had too many pints. Fourth panel. Pintsize ain’t got no gamer cred. Fifth panel. Brad’s good name is sullied by lecherous guttersnipes. PS – Joking. Timothy McLean Crash Bandicoot was the pinnacle of gaming, once. Ah, how far we’ve come… Lisa Izo Yes but he thought Crash Bandicoot was hard. That’s why he don’t got no gamer cred. I love every game that Naughty Dog has made, from Crash Bandicoot to Keef the Thief to Jak and Dexter to the Uncharted series to The Last of Us… but I wouldn’t call the games hard. 🙂 Wouldn’t really say Crash was the pinnacle. That would be The Last of Us. 🙂 They made Crash and Uncharted to get the gamers prepared for the pinnacle of gaming 🙂 Weatherheight Keef the thief! I bought that for my nephews YEARS ago and we used to hang out by the computer and play it as a team. Good times… Lisa Izo I think that was one of the first games i ever played, along with wasteland and legacy of the ancients. Eric Schissel I vote Nethack… Lisa Izo They must have skipped over the big comeuppance/tragedy that obviously happened after the toast. Merle Brad is just too adorable in the last panel. BMPDynamite Every moment of peace is making me tense. DAMN YOU, WEBCOMICS!!!!!