I mean do you want the awknowledgement that the main protagonist is cheating piece of human filth?
And admittance to the fact that women want bad boys, instead of “good guys”?

I mean…. is this supposed to be intentional or unintentional red pilling from the author?

because i’m tired and my defenses about starting pointless arguments on the internet are down. (something about a sugar high) …

this is round two for these two. he drove her to meet feral and stayed in a hotel (separate rooms) with her. bought her a mug (she threw it at him) and before that they were in regular contact. yeah there was a breakup in there. but to say the romantic thing is new is to ignore the ‘fighting our way into bed together’ trope.

I don’t hate you that much. it wouldn’t work.

oh. but wait I’m not blind. I can see.. with glasses. now I have reading glasses grumble grumble.

I think the “women want bad boys” trope is really misunderstood.

There are probably very few women who want someone who’s just a selfish jerk for a long term relationship.

But many women are drawn to “tortured” bad boys.

Bad boys who they can break through to the raw emotional vulnerability of, who they have a special connection with and can turn good.

minor addendum: Starting from my early twenties (mostly after a situation with a really aggressive stalker*) one of the criteria I applied to all close relationships was whether they had enough grit to have my back if shit got bad. I had known a lot of nice people I considered friends… who turned into teary balls of uselessness if someone yelled at them and maybe threatened them a few times. I don’t even mean substantive threats, just threats by implication. I got tired of changing my phone number, or having this particular person track me down in person to rant at me. (Yes, I could stand up to her, but it was exhausting when it happened again and again. But my mind was just blown by how little pressure it took for a bunch of people to crack.) It clarified a lot of things for me.

Clevin seems like a good guy. I have no idea how he’d handle himself if things got bad. Patrick’s a known quantity. This is another of those nice guys / bad boys things that is just not what bitter teenage gamers make them out to be.

* a female stalker, as it happens.

Yep, if one female character’s private actions can be seen to speak for women in general, it’s a pretty good sign that she’s just the token woman in a sea of male characters (see The Smurfette Principle). And whatever else we disagree on, I think we can all agreee that Al ain’t the Smurfette in this story.

While I don’t appreciate the generalization about women or the red pilling comment, this just really brought a quote to mind.

“This is an environment of welcoming and you should just get the hell out of here.” -Michael Scott

Unless there’s interest in talking about how to go out and meet a different group of people and have a happier life… I’m out. (And maybe even then – I have a lot of work to do, and am still getting over this virus.) Watching my baby brother descend in self loathing and doing nothing but producing a hate blog has been one of the more awful experiences of my life.

Privacy on the internet is a bad joke.

Assumptions made about you based on your browsing habits is the punchline.

“Human filth” is a bit much, but if the concern is that Allison would be unfaithful then…she already is. It’d be intellectually dishonest to suggest that the dream kiss doesn’t count just because meat wasn’t involved, and Patrick’s super power isn’t creating a magical world wherein actions and intentions don’t matter. The entire arc was about the significance of Patrick’s mental state and Allison’s ability to influence it; suggesting that the ensuing infidelity somehow lacks the same profound significance would be absurd.

I think (and hope) the point is that Allison is flawed. She is attracted to broken, unhealthy men who have enough respect for her to acknowledge her strengths but not enough to honor the boundaries of her relationships, and that attraction is powerful enough to make he behave unfaithfully. She’s an imperfect being. Sometimes that leads to morally complicated kidnappings, and sometimes it leads to unambiguously immoral cheating.

In regards to the “bad boy/nice guy” thing; there’s sort of a specific reason why I really like this particular arc. She needed to get closer to him in order to get information, and along the way, her empathy for him grew. It’s very hard to get this personal with a human being and not generate some kind of positive emotion for them. There is no real “undercover” thread to this, because he can read her mind and know what she’s after, but in reality, undercover-type situations, especially long term, can get kind of hairy for all kinds of reasons and this is one of them. In any case, point being, red-pillers and incels remind me of far-right religious nuts; the kinds that pick and choose which parts of whatever holy text they want to live by, the kind of people that always pick the violent parts, rather than taking the text and the deliberation of it as a whole. Jshadow saw “girl likes bad boy” and that was all he took from it. Not their history, not their own personal arcs and growth, not the mission at hand; just this. This is what matters to him. If he’s a real person and not a troll, nothing short of some grand personal revelation, some act of God, is going to change his mind. I’ve known too many zealots.

By ‘best way possible’ do you mean Patrick pregnant with Allison’s mind baby?

Now, see, Charles Moore, in an off hand comment, has come up with a better origin for a psychic entity than Grant Morrison. Telling.

::slow claps his hooves::

Would the kid be Athena and to be extracted from his head with an axe? 😀