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Classtoise “I’ll teach you to meddle in *stab*…huh. *stab. stab.*” “…Invulnerable.” “Well, shit.” Lostman I think she going to be a lot smarter then that. Kid Chaos Yeah, well unless she’s got a nuke or something in her back pocket, the most she’s going to do is make Alison angry…and you wouldn’t like Alison when she’s angry. 🙂 Lostman I don’t think it’s going to go that far but… think about trying to stitch up a knife wound on Alison? Kid Chaos A knife wound…which requires a blade with 2-micron edge! Where is Mary supposed to get something like that, I should like to know? Lostman Will she is crazy at this point so don’t what stopping her from stealing one? Perlite Oh SNAP! I am not one to AIR on the side of quick judgement, but I do believe that Allison is screwed. Rich McGee How so? Nothing Mary can do will hurt her directly. She could play hostage games by threatening friends and family (assuming her own detective skills are up to locating them – easy with Allison being public these days) but if she’s far gone enough for that there are far better targets – politician’s families, for ex. Twist their arms with threats to force legal changes rather than executing rapists and abusers personally. Markus Someday I’d like to see Allison go full Irredeemable. I’m really hoping that Moonshadow gives us a taste of what that would look like here. Charles M. Hagmaier I don’t know – how persistent are Moonshadow’s projections? Does she need to be nearby? If not, what is the mechanism? I mean, I don’t think we’ve seen any straight-up magic in this setting yet. Well, teleportation and TK and telepathy are all spooky-action-at-a-distance magic-in-labcoat-drag, but it’s still the sort of magic that people who prefer Science! in their fantasy appreciate. I’d like to think that Mary’s nearby because the narrative arc requires a confrontation, and if this is just a placeholder illusion and she’s off in New Mexico torturing Furnace, it’s going to be a wet squib of a scene. Rod Unless she can tell when her illusions are disturbed. Next scene, she’s got Furnace on a table Dexter-style, when suddenly she looks up, shocked, and whispers “Alison.” Not likely, but I’d take that too. Classtoise I’d like to see it as a side story. Just seeing how effective that “Fuck it, leave the planet” plan would work out considering even if she COULDN’T fly, all it’d take would be a decent sized rock and just throwing it at any escaping shuttles if she wanted to. Rod Well if she couldn’t fly, something like the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans might be enough of a barrier to keep humanity safe for a reasonable amount of time. Too bad she can fly now. 🙂 Mechwarrior It would be a barrier only as long as it takes her to get to the Bering Strait. Then she’s in Siberia (but still about 1000 miles from anywhere, so it’ll take a little time to reach Europe and Africa). David Nuttall It all depends on her endurance when flying. If she can only fly for 20 minutes or so at a time at 30 km/h, well, she would only cover 10 km or so. That is not enough to cross Lake Ontario or Lake Erie, let alone an ocean. Jerden It would take her a long time to cover the entire planet, so I think you could survive if you hid when Alison shows up. Fortunately, she doesn’t seem the type to go omnicidal. Declare herself god-queen of humanity and impose equality and justice for all, perhaps. KatherineMW Mega Girl, Breaker of Chains and Mother of Dragons. I actually find that a bit appealing. Lostman I think government or the black folder creators would have made means to take out Alison if she ever became to much of a problem. Ian Osmond I thought their current plan was “blanket the the city she is in in nukes and pray that that is enough.” But seriously, Alison asks the same question on page 86 of this issue, and her doctor just makes a joke about how they’re just planning on having humanity evacuating Earth. If they DO have a plan, it’s not obvious what it could be. Rens I don’t. Irredeemable got tiresome very fast. Pol Subanajouy Al needs to be careful. Like super careful. My spider senses are shooting through the roof here. Moonshadow’s powers have also evolved into something like illusion projection just like Al developed flight. This changes so much. Also, I’m sure the documentary on the TV is some sort of meta-commentary. “Good guy” gorillas? Maybe something about the meek inheriting the Earth? Kinda? Sorta? Maybe? KatherineMW Look at Kai’s long comment on the previous page, she gives a great in-depth explanation of the real-life study the TV program is talking about. Rod It is (the comments to the previous page go into it.) Rod At this point, Mary’s got to be smarter than that. If she sets up and takes down teams of commandos for sport, I think she can tactically handle a “girl” she grew up with, and whose powers she knows. She’d likely go for some sort of suffocation or poison gas attack, presuming those can work. Fortunately, Alison also leveled up, and her new power isn’t yet public. If Mary *does* attack, it’ll probably be her only way out. Classtoise I cannot begin to tell you how hard I rolled my eyes. Rod Whatever the take on his last sentence, he does have a point. Alison doesn’t KNOW. She thinks she does, but so far the only time her mind strayed to Mary was when there was a *deliberate* eye-lock between her and the killer. She’s being awfully aggressive for acting on a suspicion, especially when this isn’t some BFF from her childhood, but someone who she never really even hung out with outside of “work,” and who frankly probably has good reason to ignore her. It honestly struck me as somewhat out of character, but then she’s likely still emotionally reeling from the events of the last few hours, so I’ll buy it. Rod Also, extra food for thought: while I’m convinced it’s Mary (it’s efficient storytelling at this point,) the only thing stopping the killer from being some old man who has Mary tied up and is framing her is that it would be bad writing. When illusion powers are involved, *everything* is up for grabs. Charles M. Hagmaier “My alibi is that I was murdering a guy on the other side of the country when your victim died.” chaosvii Don’t you know how rude it is to ignore somebody that is a combination of hurt, confused, worried, and determined to not let any physical barrier meaningfully stop her?! GAWD! The nerve of some holographic projections of people >:( chaosvii I started replying to your last sentence with slight disagreement, but I’m pretty sure I’m of the same conclusion. Sure her actions here in Missouri could be weakly argued to be slightly less obsessed than what a non-superstrong abusive partner/toxic friend would have to be in order to achieve the same results. But she did other things before getting to this place several state lines away from where she started. She appears to have an obsessive emotional need to confirm why she saw Mary. A need to have herself *know* that she can worrying about this. Her doctor didn’t sate this feeling because Alison needed something that probably was either illegal/against proper investigative procedure to disclose or wasn’t completely given to Dr. Rosenblum in the first place. So Alison decided that a face-to-face would be the way to go. Brad wouldn’t help Alison find Mary, so Alison immediately contacted somebody else who might know. Patrick told her it was a terrible idea to go face-to-face with Mary and simply confess her suspicions & desire to not suspect Mary anymore. Then he did the other stuff, and Mega Girl got the information that Alison wanted. So then she traveled several miles just to meet Mary (presumably without announcing her arrival), and upon not being actively denied entry, assumed that Mary was actually there and was being a big suspicious jerk. So I’d argue that what Alison is doing feels every bit as self-centered, impulsive and inappropriate as an abusive partner or toxic friend. She just can break window locks with so little effort that it takes a lot more than locks for Alison to actually pause and reconsider her options once she’s ever so slightly annoyed. MrSing Plot twist, Mary is actually disguised as the television. bakkonator Me wonders what the significance of the band-aids on her right arm are indicative of. Maybe she has been experimented on and that is the cause of her new powers (if any) and the gov’t absolution of Mary’s involvement. Charles M. Hagmaier I believe we’ve seen her beat to hamburger in some of the flashback scenes, with the take-away being she’s very much the opposite of impervious. Some of her victims *will* get in the occasional scratch or cut before expiring. Mechwarrior You mean like how nobody wastes time shooting Superman? cinco “Her actions almost feel like those an abusive partner might take.” Wait, really? Rod Hmm. I’d appreciate a quick resolution too; I find myself wondering exactly how Alison would deal with the frustration such a stalemate situation would cause. Kid Chaos Same Mega-time, same Mega-channel! 🙂 Kid Chaos “Right makes might!” – Mega-Girl Action Figures. 🙂 Ian Osmond Me-YOWCH. Also, good point. Ian Osmond “Similar sharpness” means “basically down to nanoscale,” though. I’m not sure that normal manufacturing is going to … cut it. [PUTS ON SUNGLASSES]. No, but seriously — making a blade that could cut Alison might be the sort of thing that requires superscience (like Paladin has), or biodynamically growing stuff that’s incredibly sharp. Guilherme Carvalho my thoughts exactly. oh, the irony. Ian Osmond It could be an effect of how she does it — if she’s affecting light the way that actual objects do, then her illusions might simply act the same way as real objects just by default. Lostman I ‘m having doubts in your theory here; If she becomes a thorn in their sides then the conspiracy would remove it, if they have limitless resources I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t let some puck ass kid wreck their them and let her get away with it. Another thing I like to point is that we only know of black folder two powers, the question is what other power were their? and from I have seen so far is that most from super powered people is that their unstable (Just look at Mary here): Do we want theses’ powers in the hands of the wrong person? I’m starting to think that the black folder creators may of culled theses’ people out for some reason. Some greater plan. Charles M. Hagmaier The grand conspiracy that has exercised the leftist mind since the late eighteenth century is real, tangible, and technically amoral: the limited-liability corporation. It acts as a shield between the conspiracy’s enterprise and the wrath of the courts and the state. But by very definition the members of the conspiracy can’t nimbly plan or react through the conspiracy. Its mechanisms are organized so that day-to-day planning and operations, and all the moral and ethical aspects of those day-to-day planning and operations, are in the hands of delegated employees, while the grand strategy and goals are in the hands of the board of directors, which are the only elements of the mechanism directly responsible to the members of the conspiracy, aka “stockholders”. As a result, the enemies of a corporation have typically not hunted down and killed the stockholders, but rather employees, executives, and in some extreme cases, directors of the board. The stockholders’ relation to the course of the corporation are tangential at best. Their sole lever upon the corporation is a vote of confidence in the board of directors, and the stockholders are many, and the board & executives are few. As such, typically, the limited-liability corporation either falls under the direction of a charismatic personality, or once it ripens and grows to certain size, is captured by the mores and class prejudices of its management culture. The members of the conspiracy lose their control, and the monster lumbers forth, driven by its own intrinsic skein of tangled logic and illogic. At best, the monster may move animated by its own semi-altruisic notion of the best interests of its creators, in much the same way that a grown and orphaned child carries in the back of its head an idealized or rarified simulacra of sainted mother or disapproving father as a kind of moral compass. But the actual shareholders? Can only collect their dividend cheques, if the corporation isn’t one of those bizarre “growth” companies that fervently believes in never paying a dime back on their stock. Mistress Dizzy The shade of red she’s gonna be once Moonshadow’s done with her? Markus Ordinarily you’d get a fair amount of mileage out of a government surveillance argument with me, but if you’re trying to make me buy into the idea that the government shouldn’t spy on former members of military program that honed them into weapons rivaling ICBMs I don’t think your odds are super hot. Philippe Saner Superpowers really mess with the normal moral principles… Graeme Sutton How is it that Allison keeps forgetting the first and most crucial rule of fighting invisible threats: Never leave doors open! Against an invisible foe, a closed door is the first and most crucial line of defense. Mechwarrior While wolves have been shown to typically live in family units, many other group-dwelling mammals actually do have social structures with dominance hierarchies. Baboons are one such example. Travis Staggs I think that that’s more her ‘continuing to clean up the mess Alison makes’. It’s a sort of superiority, when whe’s enacting her own brand of justice over the top of Alison’s. Alison finds a rapist (someone who destroys lives) and decides the courts can handle it. Mary looks into it, he’s actually been accused several times with his family buying him off, decides he’s guilty, and kills him. I think it’s more about self-validation in addition to the fact that she’s ‘finally getting noticed’ by using Alison’s limelight once more. I kind of wonder if anything -other- than Alison ever made her truly feel invisible… David Nuttall Now it is breaking and entering. Break the door lock and enter the apartment. At least she has done a minimum of damage. If she leaves now, and closes the door, she could make it look like she was never there.